Talk:Risto Ryti

Time mismatch

• In the period after Finland achieved its independence, Ryti's business relationship with Kordelin grew even closer, and it appeared likely that Kordelin would ask Ryti to become general manager of his numerous business enterprises. However, in November 1917 Ryti and his wife witnessed the murder of Kordelin at the hands of a Russian Bolshevik.

Kordeli died on November 7, 1917 and Finland achieved its indepedendence on December 6, 1917. Hardly their relationship could be closer in December 1917. Miraceti 22:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, naturally there should be after the outbreak of the World War I, as it was then when his co-operation with Kordelin was closest.--Whiskey 00:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

"persona non grata" ... "role in Finland's history was kept silent"

During the Cold War, when Soviet influence in Finnish politics was high and left-wing parties strong, Ryti was persona non grata and his role in Finland's history was kept silent.

I strongly disagree with the claim that Ryti's role in Finland's history was kept silent during the Cold War. It's trivial to cite Finnish history books published during the Cold War which discuss Ryti's role in Finland's history. Korhonen's "Barbarossa-sunnitelma ja Suomi" (1961), Manninen's "Suur-Suomen ääriviivat" (1980), and Jokipii's "Jatkosodan synty" (1987) are a few notable and noted Cold War era books that deal with the most controversial aspect of Ryti's legacy, Finland's entry into the Continuation War. Biographical works published during the Cold War include Krohn's "Kuka on tuo mies: valtiomiehen kirjoittamattomat muistelmat" (1971), Virkkunen's "Ryti: myrskyajan presidentti" (1985), Skyttä's "Ei muuta kunniaa: Risto Rytin kujanjuoksu 1939-1945" (1989), and Suomi's "Kohtalona yksinäisyys: Risto Rytin tie Suomen politiikan johtoon" (1989). While the debate on Ryti was (and probably still is) often politicized, such a debate plainly existed even during the Cold War.

I also doubt the description of Ryti as a "persona non grata". In Ryti's entry in the National Biography of Finland, Professor Martti Turtola writes: "Vapauduttuaan presidentti Paasikiven armahtamana toukokuussa 1949 Risto Ryti oli väsynyt ja sairas mies. Olot vankilassa olivat olleet - toisin kuin usein on väitetty - ankarat. Hän ei enää koskaan palannut julkiseen elämään, vaikka pyyntöjä esitettiinkin. Yhteiskunta ei kuitenkaan unohtanut häntä. Helsingin yliopiston ylioppilaskunta ja Rytin oma osakunta muistivat häntä korkeilla kunnianosoituksilla. Valtioneuvosto maalautti hänen muotokuvansa, ja puolisen vuotta ennen kuolemaansa keväällä 1956 Ryti promovoitiin Helsingin yliopiston valtiotieteellisen tiedekunnan kunniatohtoriksi. Rytin hautajaisista saman vuoden marraskuussa muodostui harras, isänmaallinen surujuhla, jossa hänen elämäntyötään muistettiin suurella tunnustuksella." [1]

My amateurish translation: "After getting out of jail, pardoned by President Paasikivi in May 1949, Risto Ryti was a tired and sick man. The conditions in jail had been - unlike has often been claimed - harsh. He never returned to public life, although requests were made. Helsinki University student body and Ryti's own students' club remembered him with high honors. The Cabinet had a portrait of him painted, and about six months before his death, in the spring of 1956, Helsinki University's political science faculty conferred an honorary doctorate on Ryti. Ryti's funeral in November of the same year became a solemn, patriotic event of mourning, where his life's work was remembered with great recognition." To me, Murtola's account suggests that Ryti was not a persona non grata to the Finnish public, Helsinki University, or even the Cabinet of Finland.

For the above reasons, I think the whole sentence could be deleted without hurting the article. Alternatively, at the very least it should lose its all-encompassing vagueness and tell readers with more specificity who considered Ryti a persona non grata and who attempted to suppress (with little success, as I hope I've demonstrated) his role in Finland's history. Jouten 16:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Relations with Germany

Was Ryti still a liberal politician after 1941? From a Hungarian perspective, it is very strange that an axis member country's head of state openly pursued liberal convictions. What was Adof Hitler's opinion about the Finnish domestic policy under Ryti's presidency? Did he intervene? Did Germany support Finnish extreme-right movements? Have Germany ever asked for the deportation of Finnish Jews? After all, how many German soldiers were in Finland in August of 1944? Did they try to overthrow the Finnish government? These important questions remained unclear.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ecsetke (talk • contribs) 22:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

Yes, he was a liberal. Finland wasn't an axis country, which is probably the reason Hitler couldn't openly criticize Finns, so that Germans wouldn't lose their (de-facto) independent co-belligrant. There wasn't powerfull "extreme-right" movements to support. Yes, Himmler asked to deport all Jews. In 1944 there were like 200 000 German soldiers, but they were located to Lapland: it would have been hard to them to overthrow a goverment over 500km away.

These questions have more to do with the continuation war article, so I don't think it's necessary to go through them here.

Wikinist 19:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguities in Prime Minister and President

Perhaps I'm just an especially dense reader, but at least two passages in this section puzzle me, and I wish a knowledgeable editor would rewrite them for clarity.

• Ryti "was one to sign the Moscow Peace Treaty..." Did he alone sign it for Finland or was he one of many?
• Who was "somewhat insufficiently motivated by the World War ... and Russia's ... pressure...?" Ryti? Mannerheim? In what way was he insufficiently motivated?

Thanks. AndersW 16:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I modified those two passages.-Victor Chmara (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Added IPA name transcription, but...

Okay, help me out. Isn't [ɪ] supposed to stand for the /i/ in syllables where it's the only vowel sound (or is that only the case in English)? I see that in Kyösti Kallio's article they've transcribed it as: [kyøsti kallio] -TheHande (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, just found the relevant page with the instructions. Apparently it is [i]. =P -TheHande (talk) 17:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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