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House of Lords

In terms of the History of the Rajya Sabha was there not once an upper house consisting of maharajas &c? - a sort of House of Lords?

Avalon 21:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

No, the upper house was called Council of State. Although a type of privy council existed during the British Raj it was called Chamber of Princes but it was not an upper house. It merely served as an executive board of advisors to the Viceroy of India.

— Hemant Dabral^Talk 09:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Member Composition

I see that numbers have been stacked up according to alliances... somethings are wrong(parties supporting UPA from outside). I think its better to have numbers partywise... what say guys? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prateekramachandra (talk • contribs) 06:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Bengali

http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BE Can somebody please link to the Bengali version from the English?

upper limit 250

as per schedule 4 total numbers are 233 and 12 nominated it makes it 245 then why it is said that number of seats in rajya sabha is 250.

kindly clarify

Achalmeena (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

defacto veto power?

The article is vague on how voting happens when the two houses sit together, but if I understand it, each member gets one vote. In this edit I changed the article so instead of describing this as 'veto' power by the lower house, it is merely 'greater' power for the lower house.

It is easy to imagine legislation that barely passes the lower house, but is overwhelmingly opposed in the upper house. In this case, the upper house would prevail in a joint sitting. So describing the situation as 'veto' power isn't really right.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 08:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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Number of elected members 233 or 234 ?

The number of elected members should be 233 and the number of nominated members should be 12 (source). However some tables in the article add up to 234 elected members? --Furfur ^{⁂ Diskussion} 19:23, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Footnote

Could someone add a footnote to the 'Membership by party' section, mentioning that 2 nominated members, Navjot Singh Sidhu and Subramanian Swamy have accpeted the BJP whip, and count towards the BJP? Ranban282 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Territories

Do the members appointed by the President, since they are not members with respect to any particular Union State, have any particular responsibility toward the interests of the residents of Union Territories, since these persons otherwise have no one looking to their interests in the upper chamber? 2600:1004:B16C:7721:A407:3104:73B4:C7A1 (talk) 01:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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The Rajya Sabha is not subject to dissolution. It has a permanent body,but one third of it's members retire after every second year.There after fresh elections are announced for the seats vacated at the begining of the third year. Each member enjoys a six-year term and is eligible for re-elections — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.77.162.143 (talk) 10:33, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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important

i want this page to be made harder to edit. please help me secure this page Rajya Sabha as it is the upper house of the nation India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karan.jr.Singh (talk • contribs) 19:46, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

= Users Persistently distorting the constitution of political Alliances, especially

Remove the Powers section of the article

The entire article has a lot of information but cites no real information. The unref section template is used. However, I think it is better if we find actual sources and add them in or remove the section entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhijeetviswa (talk • contribs) 07:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding BJD,TRS, YSRCP, BSP, NPF,SDF IN NDA

45.127.91.107 (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 06:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020

Kanhaiyaa Ganu (talk) 07:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

BJD, TRS,YSRCP in NDA Kanhaiyaa Ganu (talk) 07:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Hii Kanhaiyaa Ganu (talk) 07:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2020

43.231.135.11 (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Add NPF & SDF IN NDA

 Not done. Please be more specific as to which section to add information and what exactly to add. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2021

"Footnotes ^† Includes 8 nominated members taking the BJP whip" It is highly offensive comment against "President of India" who nominate these members. 2405:201:4008:9079:185:FC4A:4104:6C75 (talk) 13:44, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Please what you think it should be changed to? Also explain why you think it is offensive? -- DaxServer (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

House of Elders

@Rpd2002:, your edits have been reverted as you have not provided any explanation for the removal of well-sourced content. Please provide an explanation for said removal of content. Do not make any further reverts until this discussion ends. Any further reverts will constitute an edit war. Per WP:BRD, after an edit is reverted, the status quo should remain while a discussion is started. Rockcodder (talk) 08:34, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Vacant seats are added by assumptions

7 Nominated members seats are currently vacant. But some users are adding that in BJP by future assumptions, like@Syrriana:. Please some give suggestions for restriction of this vandalism @Venkat TL:@Dev Adhi: Mahesh Chhanga 78 (talk) 12:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mahesh Chhanga 78 I suggest reverting these edits as unsourced 2 times and if they do it again, report them for edit warring and unsourced edits. I have stopped watching RS related pages, because it is tough to determine what is current figure and what is future forecast, its all a mess due to some editors who dont understand that we have to wait till oath day, before we can add their names here. Venkat TL (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 @Syrriana In this edit Both of you are making claims without providing any reference or news site to verify your claims. If reported both will be blocked for disruptive editing. Discuss your source in the talk page, get consensus and only add content with source, IF there is no source yet, wait for the source to publish the new numbers before adding it here. @Dev Adhi @Mahesh Chhanga 78 Venkat TL (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mahesh Chhanga 78 ,@Venkat TL I have claimed with prove, I have given the source in citation. I don't claim, I only put the official numbers but other guys put projections or assumptions which should not be done, so I have to revert or edit it to create the right data. Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@ Venkat TL before the 2022 Rajya Sabha elections the BJP was having 95 MPs but after the election they were having net loss of 3 MPs. So there current strength will be 92 instead of 91. Syrriana (talk) 09:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

No, now BJP has 91 rajya sabha members after the election

Source:- https://www.abplive.com/news/india/rajya-sabha-election-result-2022-rajya-sabha-party-wise-strength-2143743 Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Syrriana you need to provide 3 refs for your claim, (1)before the 2022 Rajya Sabha elections the BJP was having 95 MPs (2)they were having net loss of 3 MPs (3) BJP current strength will be 92. Without adding these 3 reference you cannot make such edits. Same applies for Ku423winz1. Venkat TL (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I am giving you three references, just wait. Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 @Syrriana have the new members taken oath? if not then they are not MP yet. The old MPs are still continuing in their office. Wait till the day of oath. Dont jump the gun. Venkat TL (talk) 09:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Taking oath is a meaningless fact, its just ceremonial. why will we have to wait till oath. Everyone who won will take oath, it is not possible to win the election and not to take oath. Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 @Syrriana Do you understand the difference between FUTURE MPs vs CURRENT MPs ? This article mentions the CURRENT MPs. You are adding FUTURE MPs as CURRENT MPs and this is wrong. They will become CURRENT MP only when their new term starts from the day of the oath. Venkat TL (talk) 09:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Then you have to reduce 70 seats since about 70 members' term ended this year. Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Look, @Syrriana, it's simple mathematics, if 12 seats are vacant and 124 seats are for opposition then the remaining 109 would be for government. Thus you have to reduce 1 seat from BJP, and I have given source too. Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 when is the exact Date, when their term ended? Please give source/reference for term end date. Venkat TL (talk) 09:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Their is not any exact sources as all news sites which did not provided the reduced seat distribution as it is not important. Also the calculation is so much complicated so I suggest you to put the value 91 for BJP which is the real value. We don't wait to edit when chief ministers are not yet sworn in, then why would we wait until the swearing?? Ku423winz1 (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 In assembly election, The assembly is dissolved before the election, so the MLA term is ended. The new names are added after election result is declared because the term of last MLA is already over. Same need to be followed for RS. Difference is that RS is not dissolved, only the term of MP ends. If the term of last RS MP is not over and you cannot find a source for the term, then please dont make any change. Venkat TL (talk) 09:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1@Syrriana @Mahesh Chhanga 78 The RS Site https://rajyasabha.nic.in/Members/Alphabetical has been updated on 20 June, with the list of members. Please check and update the Wikipedia article based on whatever the RS Site is saying. There should be no confusion. Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The official sources are not updated, they are showing old versions. Ku423winz1 (talk) 10:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 When RS itself is saying that this is the list of members as on 20 June, then who are you to argue? Please only keep the list of current members as shown on RS Site. New members will be added on RS Site list when their terms start, not before. @Syrriana Venkat TL (talk) 10:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I am tired 😭😭, do whatever you want. Ku423winz1 (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 and @Venkat TL the BJP will have 92 MPs as Dr.Manik Saha the Chief Minister of Tripura is still the Rajya Sabha MP and he has not resigned officially. So still he is an MP from Tripura. Syrriana (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

How can BJP be 92 and NDA 110 while 12 seats are vacant and 124 for opposition. The total of the seats becomes 246, so you have to reduce 1 from BJP. And Manik Saha is in the 91 as the previous person resigned and election was not held because tripura has one seat and BJP has the majority. Ku423winz1 (talk) 10:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL and @Ku423winz1 please show any one site where The CM of Tripura has resigned from his Rajya Sabha Seat. Syrriana (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Syrriana please see this link List of Sitting Members of Rajya Sabha (Term Wise) Venkat TL (talk) 10:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1 the Maths is simple 7 seats are nominated seats which are vacant while 4 seats are vacant of J&K this will add up to 11. So if remove the one seat of Tripura then the BJP strength will be 92. Syrriana (talk) 10:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Syrriana @Ku423winz1 Both of you are wrong. RS official site is saying 95 so Wikipedia article should say 95. Wait for the RS Site to update. Dont jump the gun and remove the name of existing MP before their term ends on 4 July. Venkat TL (talk) 10:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL agree with you Syrriana (talk) 10:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)