Talk:Railway Procurement Agency

NPOV issues

Apparently an editor, Weehamster2 (talk • contribs), either has ties to or a supporter of Transport 21, as the editor has edited several articles in raltion to Irish transport, specifical rail transport in and around Dublin, with a slant towards the Transport 21 issues, so much so that the article now has a more of a propganda feel to it then an encylopedia feel. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's make the 'Controversial Agency' section more neutral

"Early on the CIÉ project director of Luas, Donal Mangan, took legal action as he felt that he had the right to be its chief executive. For two years the agency paid his salary and gave him an office, even though the chief executive's position had been filled by Frank Allen."

Reference? Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

"The agency came under serious criticism by the Oireachtas Transport Committee for the refusal to cooperate with them in regarding the cost of the proposed Metro from Stephen's Green to Dublin Airport. "

Reference? Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

"The agency has also come under criticism for the cost of the Luas light rail system. This had led to calls for the planned Dublin Metro system to be developed by a different agency."

Calls from Platform 11 or someone else? Do you have a reference? Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Platform 11 did not call for this. Platform 11 suggest an overall body for Dublin rather than the multitude of current oragnisations.

"With figures for the Metro hitting the €5b+ mark, the RPA were desperate to make the metro appear affordable. "

POV (unless you have a reference to this desperation Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

There was no "proof" but for several months the RPA kept coming up with new costings to help get government funding.

"The RPA are also incharge of a intergrated ticketing system so only one ticket would be need for all modes of Public transports, like Luas, Dublin Bus and the DART. Even though over €40m was spent so far,"

Reference? Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

" as of today there still isnt any sign of a intergrated system comming online."

Well there may be signs such as a first phase operational smart card reader on Luas and smart card readers installed but not operational on buses. Also can you buy a Heavy rail ticket that allows use of Luas for connection? It might be fairer to say that there is no integrated smart card system yet.

It is currently impossible to use a Luas ticket on a Irish Rail service. Therefor it is not integrated ticketing.

"Luas Red Line

The agency also came under criticism regarding the Red Luas line. It was clearly identified, well before the Red line was completed that the 30m trams would not be able to handle the passenger numbers."

Reference? Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[Platform 11] Press release dated before the Red line opened

A Platform 11 press release is not a reference. I can run my own website and say whatever I like. Do you have real independent analysis of the capacity requirements?. --This unsigned comment left by 83.70.132.193 (18 May 2006)

" Even though the Red line had a bigger population along its line than the Green line,"

Sorry to be so repetitive but is there a reference for this? Much of the red line seems to run through uninhabited industrial zone. Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

"The RPA promised that the Red line would have a tram every 5 minutes and can increase the frequency to every 2.30 minutes. "

Again, does anyone have a reference for this? My memory is that the promise was 5 min intervals at peak. Curtains99 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of unreferenced statements

Next week I am going to drop any of the above statements where I can't find a supporting reference. In some cases such as the Donal Mangan story I have found the references. In other cases I have asked for a reference and got none. I think a platform 11 press release is a reference but I am going to get a link to an archive copy of the press release to check it hasn't been changed since the luas was launched. This statement is no good to us: for several months the RPA kept coming up with new costings to help get government funding Let's find references for these costings or it can't go in the article. You understand this, don't you? Otherwise the article is just a load of unverified rumour with no credibility. Curtains99 18:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've finally done this. i just deleted the following list of unsourced controversies. I added a few sources for the CEO disoute and the engineering problem eith the track. If anyone canj find sources to back up the others then please add them

back in.

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Oireachtas Transport Committee

The agency came under serious criticism by the Oireachtas (national parliament) Transport Committee for the refusal to cooperate with them in regarding the cost of the proposed Metro from Stephen's Green to Dublin Airport. The agency has also come under criticism for the cost of the Luas light rail system. This had led to calls for the planned Dublin Metro system to be developed by a different agency.

Dublin Airport Metro Line

With figures for the Metro exceeding €5Billion, some argued that the RPA were desperate to make the metro appear affordable. The RPA announced that the cost of the Metro to the Airport would be €1.9 Billion. It has been claimed that to achieve that figure they shortened the route by starting from O’Connell Street rather than Stephen’s Green as initially planned. This figure did not include the cost of elevators, ticket machines and rolling stock.

Dublin Integrated Ticketing System

The RPA are also managing the introduction of an integrated ticketing system such that one ticket would be need for all modes of Public transports, like Luas, Dublin Bus and the DART. Although over €40Million has been spent so far, as of now (2006), no such system is planned to be introduced in the near future.

Luas Red Line - Capacity

The agency also came under criticism regarding the Red Luas line. It was strongly argued , before the Red line was completed that the 30m trams would not be able to handle the passenger numbers. Although the Red line had a larger population in its catchment area than the Green line, the Green line trams were 40m in length. The RPA publicly stated that "it was nonsense to say that the Red line needs 40m trams" and that "people calling for the 40m tram don’t know what they are talking about". A year after the line opened, the RPA announced that the Red line trams would be lengthened to 40m due to overcrowding.

When the Red Line was opened, the RPA gave a commitment that the Red line would have a tram every 5 minutes and that the capacity existed to increase the frequency to every 2 minutes 30 seconds. Today the average frequency on the Red line is 7 minutes. Recently,([2005]]) ,the Connolly - Heuston shuttle came into effect. The shortage of trams has resulted on the frequency remaining the same (execept for the Conolly-Heuston leg) but the shuttle helps alleviate rush hour crowds.

Curtains99 17:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

National Transport Authority initiatives

The current wording is curious:

The RPA would have had [a] crucial role in implementing key rail elements of the Irish Government's initiatives, administered by the National Transport Authority. It would have been responsible for the planning, coordination and procurement.

Well, did it or didn't it, was it or wasn't it? Why the use of the present perfect conditional ("would have...")? -- Picapica (talk) 11:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Merge with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Infrastructure_Ireland? Balle010 (talk) 02:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)