Talk:Pullman Flatiron Building

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Doncram in topic Unneeded "See also" link

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Good effort. Well done. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

This article is not well written, contained a lot of editorializing. We should avoid reinforcing such behaviors. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

COI evidence

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  • Primary creator’s only contribs on Wiki are this single article.
  • Editorialized tone injected throughout.
  • Majority of sources are from a single local “Historical Society” which may itself have created this article, or someone with a vested interest may have.
  • Seems of hyper-local interest without broader notability. Informationageuser (talk) 20:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
    After reviewing this article and removing what is editorializing, half of it is simply about the architect, and I have serious WP:N concerns. I am going to highlight this for deletion as not every building is notable enough for a wikipedia page LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Source Assesment

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similiar to above, no way to know if the document includes signifigant coverage
Source assessment table: prepared by User:LegalSmeagolian
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Edwin Garretson 2012   email from historical society member   no way to verify contents of the email unless it is published elsewhere ? no way to know the detail in the email No
Esther Pond Smith 2012 ? ? Even after researching, cannot find what document this cite is referencing, therefore left to have to trust original citer that this document/author states what is rephrased in the article ? ? Unknown
https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Illustrated_History_of_Whitman_County/ajFEAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=swain   author is independent   The source is well researched book   no mention of the pullman flatiron, just the architect. This is the "Lever 1901 document" source previously identified as being from the Whitman County Historical Society (and it was being considered suspect as a source? it is fine) No
William Swain House   government run site   government run sight about historic buildings   cites to a different building, no mention of this building No
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/75613702   government run site NARA provides e-versions of vast array of govt and non-govt documents... this is written by privater parties   government run sight about historic buildings This is NRHP doc for Wm Swain House, now properly cited in article, addresses Swain.   cites to a different building, no mention of this building. Also there is NRHP doc for United Presbyterian Church. No
Ted McDonough - https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=0klj8wIChNAC&dat=19940212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en   local newspaper   local newspaper ~ coverage restricted to 1994 incident regarding front loader and reconstruction ~ Partial
Photographs - primary source, does not impact notability   from library   from library   no idea how detailed of coverage Yes
Selene Santucci. Personal phone interview. 28 Feb 2012 ?   likely from writer of the article, no idea if they took a transcript of call, or credentials of the caller ? no idea how detailed of coverage No
Daily Evergreen/Spokesman review - no article titles or author so unhelpful without more info     ? ? Unknown
Sorenson - https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=0klj8wIChNAC&dat=19940212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en   newspaper   newspaper ~ coverage restricted to 1994 incident regarding front loader and reconstruction ~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your tabulating your assessments here is perhaps helpful in the ongoing AFD and/or for further development of the article, thank you for providing this. However, IMO your assessments of the local historical society documents are too harsh. "After research" you conclude one or another of the local documents (an email, interview notes, annotations, etc.) cannot be found. However I rather expect all these are in a folder at the local historical society, and/or in a folder at the local library. For the record, User:LegalSmeagolian, can you verify that you did or did not try to contact the local historical society, and/or that you did or did not reach anyone to request that they check for these documents? It's okay if you did not, but let's just be clear. Thanks, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 22:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I did not, as I don't believe that unpublished email correspondence and notes from an interview satisfy what is set out in:
As you can see from my locating of the Sorensen and McDonough articles, as well as the History of Whitman County book, I have put effort into trying to source documents that are actually published, reliable sources. This is not to say information provided by historical society staff is unreliable, however, it does not alone satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
User:LegalSmeagolian, the URLs here for Sorenson and McDonough articles are the same. Are they really in the same issue of The Spokane Review, or is McDonough's URL supposed to be different? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 19:39, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
They should be different, I made an oopsie with my copy paste - they are different papers i believe LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'll stop editing for now due to edit conflicts (sorry!!!!!) LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Wait sorry fixing now for the missing article LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! U r on a roll, can u get either or both of the The Daily Evergreen 11 Feb 1994. Print., and The Spokesman Review 11 Feb 1994. Print., too?
I went to call the Whitman County Historical Society today but they're closed until the weekend, supposed to be open 10-2 S Su i think. And an "archives" committee is open only on Wednesdays. So getting the "folder" contents that I propose exist will take a little while.--Doncram (talk,contribs) 04:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

clio source?

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I am not sure about "clio" source on Pullman Flatiron Building, not previously used in article or covered above. Is it partly or wholly plagiarized/copyvio from a local document? Clio suggests citing as "Admin, Clio, Rebecca Woodham, and Katie Pratt on behalf of City of Pullman. "Pullman Flatiron Building ." Clio: Your Guide to History. March 6, 2018. Accessed February 9, 2023. https://www.theclio.com/entry/49368". ? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 06:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yeah it seems plagiarized and not a reliable source so I didn't touch it LegalSmeagolian (talk) 12:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Separate Page for Architect

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The architect paragraph here would serve as a great basis for a new biography article, as it does seem that the architect is notable and has multiple designs that have been deemed historic, as well as serving as a local elected official. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 17:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

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@Doncram- is the National Register of Historic Places listings in Whitman County, Washington link really appropriate here? This makes it seem like either it is on the NRHP (it isn't) or that whatever editor worked on the page thinks it should be, which is not the point of Wikipedia. Flatiron list, on the other hand, is appropriate. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 03:12, 11 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

It's gone. And NRHP-listed William Swain House (currently a redlink, see Draft:William Swain House) is linked now. Thanks. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)Reply