Talk:Premakeerthi de Alwis

Death

Alwis, who was 42, was dragged from his house and murdered on the night of July 31, 1989. The murder has been blamed on the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna, although no official ruling has been made. And There is another Suspicion about Hudson samarasinghe who has handled this case. Wife of premakeerthi who Nirmala De alwis promoting this issue on her book ‘'Premakeethini’’ which publish on 2010. There was a conflict with premakeerthi and Hudson relate to position about director general in SLBC on that time . former president Ranasinghe Premadasa Had an idea about premakeerthi appoint to this post.Hudson Samarasinghe was a right hand man of Premadasa on that time. But there is no any fix Judgment or evidences that who has done this murder still. ”

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User talk:Ramya20's contribution is to Wikipedia only avoid this issue . Because I have a doubt that he or she is sock puppet of Hudson samarasinghe . The issue which i mention is promoting by Wife of premakeerthi who Nirmala De alwis on her book Premakeethini which publish on 2010. User:Bigger digger tell that this book cannot find out in Google searching . It is correct because it takes few more month on appear ISBN web sites . But no one can refuse this valuable issue. There is already published on a blog translation [1] Wikipedia we have a possibility to translate context of articles. I am trying to promote all issues about this murder case through neutral point of view .I request to assist solve this problem to administrator in Wikipedia.--Wipeouting (talk) 11:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion

Hi Wipeouting,

I have had a look at Premakeerthi de Alwis following a request by Ramya20 at WP:3O. The allegations surrounding his death that you wish to have included in the article must be sourced more carefully. The book mentioned doesn't appear on any database: Google Books, Internet Book Database, Worldcat, or Open Library so is very hard to consider it as verifiable. A blog translation [2] of a book that doesn't seem to exist, with a translation, is also unsuitable. If the translation was included on a website that could be considered a WP:Reliable source or if the existence of the book could at least be verified, then we could move this situation forward. At the moment I would ask you to resist re-adding the allegation until better evidence is forthcoming. I will give the article a quick copy edit to tidy it up as well. Thanks for editing! Bigger digger (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I would encourage you to discuss issues with the article at its talk page: Talk:Premakeerthi de Alwis so that other editors interested in the article can contribute. Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

copied from User_talk:Bigger_digger#Premakeerthi_de_Alwis Bigger digger (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Dear friend, this issue is actual and few of persons who want to avoid this issue. The user User:Ramya20 only contribute to Wikipedia delete this issue . I have a doubt on this user sock puppet of Hudson samarasinhe . This issue is promoting by Wife of premakeerthi who Nirmala De alwis on her book ‘’Premakeethini’’ which publish on 2010. you User:Bigger digger are mention that this book cannot find out in Google searching . It is correct because it takes few more month on appear ISBN web sites . But no one can refuse this issue. There is already published on a blog translation [3] Wikipedia we have a possibility to translate context of articles. I request to assist solve this problem to administrator in Wikipedia .--Wipeouting (talk) 18:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I like to keep conversations in the same place, so have replied here, I have this page watchlisted. There is not a problem with waiting for this book to appear in listings, there is no deadline, and this claim has been 20 years in the making. To wait another month or so to ensure it is verifiable is no big deal, but if this is just baseless gossip then it is not suitable for inclusion. Bigger digger (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear Friend , This is a verifiable.That is why wife of premakeerthi published a book telling this

issue .It is researcher and investigative publication . we should publish this issue on Wikipedia .--Wipeouting (talk) 02:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you say she published the book? This blog page would suggest so too. This makes the book a self-published source, and not admissable - especially per this line: Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons. You are attempting to use this book as a source about Hudson Samarasinhe, a living person, so it is not acceptable. I will put a notice at WP:BLP/N for some additional opinions for you. Bigger digger (talk) 11:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I found you have already listed it at WP:BLP/N - I hope you don't object to me editing it there, I think we will get a better response. Bigger digger (talk) 12:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The following two opinions were left at User talk:Wipeouting ([4] & [5]). Copied here to keep the conversation centralised.

We appreciate your interest but until the sources can be verified it just cannot be included. I have removed the adminhelp request and suggest the discussion be maintained at the article talk page. JodyB _talk 11:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• The blog translations of the book are not reliable sources.

If the book is not yet available, then the information is not verifiable.

Please wait until the book is available before adding the information. There is no deadline, so it is no problem to wait.

If you have further questions about that, please ask on the reliable sources noticeboard.

• If you think another user is using "sock-puppet" accounts, and have good evidence, then you could ask for a sock-puppet investigation. See instructions there.
• Note: I am not an administrator; however, as this question is regarding content, I felt I could answer it. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  11:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it is clear that it is not suitable to include those allegations based on the current sourcing. Other opinions always welcome. Bigger digger (talk) 14:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Fourth opinion

There are number of RS books that describe his death and potential murderers. See google book search Here. As long as neutral and encylopedic language is used, it is not difficult to write about this individual, his life and death including who may have done it. One has to go to a library that has these books and get it done. Kanatonian (talk) 03:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

There are other articles and book available in Sinhala Language about this issue. This Internet book searching result is not enough for your fourth opinion. we have to wait until Wife of Premakeerthi ( nirmala de Alwis )'s book of PREMAKEERTHINI will appear on internet. She wrote this book using her experiences and there should be a space for her investigation result too--Wipeouting (talk) 04:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Kanatonian, thanks for your input. The problem is that Wipeouting wants this specific claim included from the widow. The problem is it can only be sourced to her self-published book, and no other sources have taken notice of it. Wipeouting, the source is not acceptable, I could have a book published myself which suggests that a wikipedia editor had a hand in the murder, but that too would be an unacceptable source. See WP:SPS for more information. Bigger digger (talk) 13:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Wipeouting, This is an English Wikipedia, foreign langauge sources are not generally aceptable. Her book may be used in the Sinhala wikipedia as long as it meets WP:RS rules. Please read the rules, just because a book is avaialble in the library or internet, it does not become an acceptable source. It has to follow the rules established. Currently, there are are seems to be number of RS books, all what one has to do is go to a library get them and source it, if that is what is needed. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 15:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Wipeouting seems to be sending out messages to a variety of editors asking for help getting this claim put back in the article. I got a note too. I've read the prior discussion, and I have to concur that trying use a self-published book for this sourcing is highly problematic and simply not appropriate in this case. -- Whpq (talk) 13:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

FAO User:Wipeouting

Per the two sections above this one, your edit to the article to include a theory of Premakeerthi's death proposed only by his wife in a self-published source (see WP:SPS) has not achieved WP:CONSENSUS. Repeated efforts on your part to include this information have met with resistance from a number of editors and I recommend you discuss your proposed changes here before making the edit again. Many thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I am asking from Ramya20 how do you say that Nirmala de alwis's issue is a Fiction ? What is your idea about murder of Preamakeerthi? Because it is blame to JVP? is it correct  ? I am tiring to put Those two of issues for Academic purpose on middle of point. i am telling there is a suspension about JVP and Hudson Samarasinghe . why do you want to avoid this issue ? --Wipeouting (talk) 18:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Bigger digger ask me that The book cannot find out through any search engine . now it is appear on internet.[6] This is not a self publish fiction . premakeerthini is a research about his murder which publish as a book . how do you say that is self publication ?--Wipeouting (talk) 18:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Wipeouting, you have grasped hold of a small part of my overall point. The book's listing on Worldcat does show it exists, but it is not a question of the book existing, the problem is that the book is self-published. Please read WP:SPS. This is evidenced by the blog reprint at http://premakeerthini.blogspot.com/2010/10/premakeerthini.html which states:

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PREMKEERTHINI
By
Nirmala De Alwis
2010
publisher - Nirmala de Alwis
Pages-225
Price-RS 480/=

ISBN - 978-955-51833-0-7
Nirmala de Alwis
Real Art of the Media House
++94 071 2475327
premakeerthi.nk@gmail.com

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Nirmala de Alwis is listed as the publisher. This is supported by the worldcat listing here which shows Nirmala de Alwis as author, publisher and notes it as her "responsibility".

Claims should not be based on a self-published source, there ought to be outside sources to discuss these issues. For example, if a newspaper were to review the book and note this theory I would be happy to find a way to include it.

I also asked at the Biographies of living persons Noticeboard the last time this issue came up, for the insight of editors there. It was probably not the correct venue to visit as Premakeerthi is dead, but someone else added their opinion, see here.

If you have any queries please continue to discuss here. Bigger digger (talk) 22:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

It is my openion that the user's persistant to include this accusation is a personal attack against a living person. I am confident that the blog posts that were listed earlier by the user wipouting were created by himself/herself based on the language/grammer usage and timing. This case has been closed in 1994 with a murder conviction (which I don't have any internet sources to support). For 20 years, no major news paper or major publisher pointed finger at Hudson Samarasinghe except for well known gossip/attack papers like "trishulaya" or "ravaya". If a new accusation comes out after 20 years since his death, I would be very suspicious whether if it is authentic. Wipeouting is only going to get JVP front news sites like lankatruth, lankanewsweb, etc. to publish a book review which I think is still unacceptable. If you would dig a bit deeper into this issue, all major news papers in Sri Lanka like, dailynews, sundayleader, lankadeepa, etc, they are all listing JVP as the responsible party for this murder.

Based on the few pages that were displayed on the blog posts, I can feel the venom of Nirmala De Alwis against Samarasinghe rather than an investigation that has been closed with a conviction in 1994(Ramya20 (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

One more note about the book; the author, Nirmla De Alwis not only accuses Samarasinghe of the Premakeerthi's mudrder, she also accuses Samarasinghe of the murder of Thevis Guruge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thevis_Guruge). This book is completely inappropriate for a venue like Wikipedia with or witout reviews.(Ramya20 (talk) 15:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

Ramya, Wipeouting has been blocked again for WP:COPYVIO, I'm not sure there will be a return. However, I suggested we could look again at the issue if a WP:RS looks at the book, not that it would then be included. It would be really useful if you could track down a source that states there was a conviction, as the article currently says "no ruling has been made" – are you in Sri Lanka, do they keep newspaper records in libraries? Bigger digger (talk) 13:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bigger digger, I am planning to do this research in December at Sri Lankan archives department where they keep all the records of major newspapers in its original format. I have already requested a copy of the case from Sri Lankan courts. Once I get those documents I will get an official translator to translate them. Do you have any suggestions as where I can upload those documents when I get hold of them?. I thank you very much once again for keeping this nonsense by wipeouting, out of the page. (Ramya20 (talk) 14:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC))

Wow, good work! Have a good read of WP:Verifiability (specifically WP:Verifiability#Accessibility) – I doubt you could upload them if there is still a copyright held in them, as I assume any newspaper article would have. I don't know about the copyright status of Sri Lankan court documents, but if they're WP:Public domain or similar then wikisource.org might be of use. As long as you state where any of the information you obtain comes from, per WP:Citing sources, then that will be ok. Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 17:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Removed a link to Facebook page[[[User:Ramya20|Ramya20]] (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)] I got a copy of the court case on the conviction on this case. It is a huge document in Sinhalese. I will get it translated and upload it while ensuring that it would meet all the Wikipedia requirements. [[[User:Ramya20|Ramya20]] (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)]

Copyright problem removed

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Death 2

Should not include book published by ex-wife of Mr. Alwis as self published books are against the wikipedia content policy. This issue has been brought up many times and several admins have agreed that against the content policy as it involves self published book and a living person. Please stop editing the death section without involvment of a third opinion of a wikipedia administrator.

--Ramya20 (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Do not include a self published book by his second wife. It is against the Wikipedia policy. This has been noted previously by several moderators and stop including a self published reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.168.3 (talk) 23:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Disputed Text

If this page is changed again I will request Wikipedia to put a block on it so that this page cannot be vandalized.--Ramya20 (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Disputed Text 2

This page has been vandalized again on the August 1, 2014. Wikipedia does not allow inserting personal opinions based on their self published books. I will ask for another block on this page to stop vandalizing on this page. I have reverted the page back. Wikipedia is not a venue for slander. The changes seem to come from the same user who was banned (wipeouting now with a different user name) from Wikipedia for repeated violations. He is using similar language just like wipeouting. Please have a discussion before changing the page. --Ramya20 (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Disputed Text 3

I can argue that writer's User:Ramya20 (who try to exclude other other valuable footnotes) reference are incorrect. no one can put other language incorrect footage (Sinhala PDF "Murder Conviction-Court Case") on encyclopedia. I invite to administrator involve this matter and include necessary information and footnotes for this article.

=== Death ===

Alwis, who was 42, was dragged from his house and murdered on the night of July 31, 1989. The murder has been blamed on the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna,but nirmala de Alwis was proved, murder was handled by Hudson Samarasinghe.

References

(Academiava (talk) 14:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC))

This disputed text has been visited numerous times by Administrators and has agreed that wikipedia is no place for personal slander. Inclusion of Premakeerthi;s wife's book based on imagination violate several Wikipedia policies as stated in previous talks. One of the pages that Acamediava, formally known as wipeouting who was banned from the site referencing are official website of JVP (lankatruth), the group who have been accused and convicted of the murder. You can not include her personal views those articles clearly indicates such. His wife does not have any right to change the truth just because she was his wife at the time of death. --Ramya20 (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

add multiple issues

I really appreciate if you can add those multiple issues for this article and Fix the problem. User:Ramya20 is representing murder side and remove valuable issues on this article.--Academiava (talk) 15:37, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Academiava, it seems you have a misunderstanding about the role of an admin. It is not an administrator's function to make edits to an article. If you have a dispute with another editor, please follow the process outlined at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. You have started the right way, by posting to the article talk page. If that does not reach a resolution there are other steps, but asking an admin to make the edits is not one of the steps.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Disputed Text 4

The fact of the matter is that Nirmala De Alwis's personal opinions cannot be included in Wikipedia page even though they have published in the news media. Those violate several Wikipedia policies. The same news articles clearly indicate that those are her opinions not theirs. For that case, her opinion cannot be included. Academiava alias Wipeouting who was banned from Wikipedia has brought up this issue numerous times and several administrators has refused to allow that content.--Ramya20 (talk) 18:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

one one personal opinion should not add the Wikipedia or any encyclopedia. ramya20 is representing murder side and his argument. sinhala language PDF file which user added is not excepted according to Wikipedia policy. at the moment (when 2014 there are new issues exposed in officially ) there are multiple issues about this assassination. ramya20 is trying to avoid to expose those valuable issues. please include all importance information and improve this article. I have added some footage on talk page please refer those.(Academiava (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)).

Academiava who is previously known as wipeouting, You are saying the same thing over and over. This is not a place for personal attacks. This issue has been visited by number of Wikipedia administrators and have decided that your content is inappropriate.--Ramya20 (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Proving multiple issues is not a personal attack. It is correct that article has been visited Early Wikipedia administrators. but At the moment situation is change and new information facts are available. Don’t avoid add all necessary fats for this assassination. (Academiava (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC)).

There are no new facts on this case except the mentioning of her book in the articles you referenced and her making wild alligations. It is the same issue. The only new thing I heard on the radio is that there is a law suit coming on her way for slander and defamation. Please keep Wikipedia out of this mess. The case has been officially investigated and culprits have been brought to justice. Nirmala and Hudson can sort out their differences in the Sri Lankan court system. Please keep her Self Published book out of Wikipedia.--Ramya20 (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Please keep Wikipedia out of your personal mess too. let administrator search news information and facts. please remove wrong Sinhalese language PDF file and incorrect data which you added. i strongly invite to a Wikipedia admin involve this matter and add current situation about this assassination.(Academiava (talk) 04:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC))

That is not what admins do. You need help from other editors. Consider Wikipedia:Third opinion --S Philbrick(Talk) 16:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Get the 5th opinion of an administrator if you would like, but I don't think the outcome is going to be different. Death section should remain as is.

Out of curiosity, why did you change your username from wipeouting to Academiava?--20.137.2.50 (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Forgot to sign my comment --Ramya20 (talk) 17:22, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you representing side of murder? you did not contribute anything other than to Wikipedia with out this article. you did edit only for this article. you are avoiding truth of Premakeerthi's assassination. please let make an investigation to five or sixth administrator. (Academiava (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)).

Defamatory Information About Living Persons and Persistent Personal Attacks

Academiava or previously known as wipeouting, please note that persisting posts against Hudson Samarasinghe, a living person is against Wikipedia policy. You are committing persistent personal attacks as well by calling me representing murderers. Both of the above offenses are against the Wikipedia policy. You have continue to do that for years using Wikipedia as a weapon and will not be tolerated. If you continue to use Wikipedia as a tool for personal attacks when several independent administrators have refused to allow your alleged content attacking a living person, I will make a formal request to investigate. Therefore, I suggest that you immediately discontinue this disruptive behavior.--Ramya20 (talk) 14:10, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Just making contributions to a few/one articles is not against Wikipedia policy but publishing defamatory information about living persons is against Wikipedia policy. Her self-published book might be acceptable in your home country Sri Lanka, but not on Wikipedia. I also think that coming back with different usernames (wipeouting to Academiava) when there is a permanent block on your previous username is not favorable to Wikipedia either. You have also previously changed the information in May, anonymously with similar information and Administrators have to put a block on the page to avoid your repeated vandalism.--20.137.2.50 (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Defamatory Information against to preamakeerthi

The User is editing since four year to this article only. any administrator or reader see her or his works history. I also really request to investigate this matter. it is not good avoid truth which person who was assassinate by a murder. Therefore, I also suggest that immediately fix with real fact and information of this article to independent administrator. (Academiava (talk) 17:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC))

There is no relation with wipeouting. I also suggest that immediately discontinue this disruptive behavior against to preamakeerthi and block user who is trying to putting sinhala language PDF unrelated footage files and facts to wiky. this use is trying to avoid current fats about this assassination to Wikipedia. I also suggest to independent fifth administrator that immediately fix this article with new information. (Academiava (talk) 04:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC))

Resolving the content dispute

The two of you are just butting heads with each other. Neither of you is willing to consider the validity of the other side. Rather than continuing to argue about this without resolution, I think you need to involve outside assistance as shown in WP:CONTENTDISPUTE. Considering the history here, the nature of the dispute, and the fact that it has already devolved into veiled attacks and accusations, I think you may want to move straight to a Request for comment (RfC). I will help you if I can, but it does not appear that a consensus between the two main actors here is going to happen. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 18:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Violation of Wikipedia Policy

Please do not update the page until there is an intervention from official Wikipedia administrative authority.

Academiava, you are not allowed to slander living people on wikipedia. Please do not change the page until further intervention from Wikipedia.--Ramya20 (talk) 18:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

What sort of intervention are you looking for? —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 19:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I would like a dispute resolution. However, the slanderous comments based on a self published book by the wife of deceased should immediately be removed. It clearly violates Wikipedia policy. All the articles that Academiava is referencing, are only mentioning the allegations that made by his wife and her book. None of the allegations are from the news media. Please remove any reference to Hudson Samarasinghe from this article until this dispute is resolved.--Ramya20 (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

If you would like to begin the RfC process, you will do that yourself per the instructions in the link above.—    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 19:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The User-Ramya20 is doing edit to Wikipedia since four year just only for this article. Please see user’s work history. There is no policy which cannot include living people’s names to Wikipedia. Nirmala published her work after 25 years research. Ramya20 has published own Sinhala language PDF file to Wikipedia. It is representing user’s personal idea. Please make an online investigation about this valuable journalist murdered. Don’t let any invalid fats to appear on Wikipedia. We really appreciate if you can add those issues.

Death 3

Premakeerthi de Alwis was murdered during the UNP regime of Ranasinghe Premadasa on July 31, 1989. As the JVP, left-nationalist revolutionaries, had embarked on a violent struggle against the regime in power, the rumor was spread that he was killed by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna then . Somehow the truth behind Premakeerthi's murder remained mysterious until recently when his wife Nirmala came up with the allegation that Hudson Samarasinghe, executed her husband with the help of a hired assassin.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.146.65 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 8 August 2014‎ (UTC)

Dear anonymous user, unfortunately , you yourself is saying that Nirmala De Alwis is alleging. Wikipedia is not a place for allegations. Please note that your allegations might be acceptable at certain social media sites but Wikipedia is not the place. Please do not plan on IP vandalism as that is also against the wikipedia policy. Please note that Wikipedia policy accepts foreign language documents and the PDF file that is referenced on this article is an Official Government Document issued by the High Court of Colombo, Sri Lanka. --Ramya20 (talk) 14:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

So far the Government of Sri Lanka has not conducted any investigation on Premakeerthi de Alwis’s murder or whether it was carried by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna or not. Hudson Samarasinghe, has been blamed by Nirmala de Alwis who has found about the details of murder through her research work; she has publicly told this in her book “premakeerthini” and even informed the President recently in a function held to name road in Colombo in Premakeerthi’s name. Somehow Sri Lankan Government has been reluctant to conduct a proper investigation since Hudson Samarasinghe is a loyal journalist of the regime. Meanwhile Ramya20 is alleging the JVP on murder of the journalist in order to save, Hudson Samarasinghe’s name. The reference she has given in the Wikipedia article never mentions that JVP murdered the journalist. This is false information provided to mislead the reading public by Ramya2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.146.65 (talk) 16:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

It has been officially investigated and that is what the Colombo High Court says. The document clearly says members of Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna (JVP). Since you are blocked by Wikipedia, are you allowed to write on Wikipedia talk pages anonymously?--Ramya20 (talk) 17:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Meanwhile Ramya20 is alleging the JVP on murder of the journalist in order to save, Hudson Samarasinghe’s name. The Sinhala language privet reference user has given in the Wikipedia article never mentions that JVP murdered the journalist. This is user's own interpretation and false information provided to mislead the reading public by Ramya20. as well as User is trying to avoid others writing and editing about this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.237.94 (talk) 07:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear anonymous user, or formally known as Wipeouting or Academiava, Page 7 on the official Colombo High Court document clearly says that the convicted were members of JVP. Read before you make statements. Just like I stated before, there are places for Nirmala's fiction but Wikipedia is not one of them. I am positive that you are going to come back with another user name to change this page, but I am sure, Wikipedia will not allow your disruptive edits. --Ramya20 (talk) 16:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Facts about the Death of Premakeerthi De Alwis

The death has been officially investigated by Sri Lanka Police Department. Criminal charges have been brought by the Attorney General's Department of Sri Lanka against members of JVP. The criminals have been convicted by the High Court of Colombo, Sri Lanka in 1992. --Ramya20 (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

above details are User Ramya20's personal information. still Premakeertithi's wife willing to reasonable justice for this assassination. her research book “premakeerthini” ; she has publicly informed the sri lankan President in a function held to name road in Colombo in Premakeerthi’ muder's name. Meanwhile Ramya20 is alleging the JVP on murder of the journalist in order to save real murder. she is running this user account since four year avoid the real fats about this assassination to internationally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.114.160 (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

IP Vandalism

This page has been vandalized by the same user anonymously with same content. Having watches on the page is insufficient and need a block on the page to avoid IP vandalism.--Ramya20 (talk) 12:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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So far the Government of Sri Lanka has not conducted any investigation on Premakeerthi de Alwis’s murder or whether it was carried by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna or not. Hudson Samarasinghe, has been blamed by Nirmala de Alwis who has found about the details of murder through her research work; she has publicly told this in her book “premakeerthini” and even informed the President recently in a function held to name road in Colombo in Premakeerthi’s name. Somehow Sri Lankan Government has been reluctant to conduct a proper investigation since Hudson Samarasinghe is a loyal journalist of the regime. Meanwhile Ramya20 is alleging the JVP on murder of the journalist in order to save, murders name. The reference she has given in the Wikipedia article never mentions that JVP murdered the journalist. This is false information provided to mislead the reading public by Ramya2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Academiava2 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 11 August 2014‎ (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam ^Sing! 13:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Academiava is causing IP vandalism to the Article

Academiava does not seem to understand that he is not allowed to slander people on wikipedia. I am not going to further communicate with him as he has no regard to policies set in place by Wikipedia. May be Academiava has a problem understanding English and may be someone can explain to him in his native language that Wikipedia policies should be carefully followed. The sole reason that a block exists on this page is due to his disruptive behavior. Academiava has been indefinitely blocked and I suggest that it will be beneficial for all the other editors to keep him out of Wikipedia. --Ramya20 (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Ramya20 is causing factual vandalism to the Article

This is false information provided to mislead the reading public by Ramya2 about preamakeerthi's assassination. we really appreciate, if administrator involve to solve this matter. (Academiava2 (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC))

Edit request 16 August 2014

section of death could be change follow as

Premakeerthi de Alwis was murdered during the UNP regime of Ranasinghe Premadasa on July 31, 1989. As the JVP, left-nationalist revolutionaries, had embarked on a violent struggle against the regime in power, the rumor was spread that he was killed by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna then . Somehow the truth behind Premakeerthi's murder remained mysterious until recently when his wife Nirmala came up with the Facts that Hudson Samarasinghe, executed her husband with the help of a hired assassin.

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Academiava2 (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Please do not allow edits. The page has been blocked because is Academiava2 is making disruptive edits to slander Hudson Samarasinghe. This is against Wikipedia policy and several administrators have agreed with that. Academiava2 has been verified as a sockpuppet and has been blocked by Wikipedia and not sure why he is allowed to make changes to this talk page.--Ramya20 (talk) 17:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done We can't put this poorly sourced accusation into the article. -- Ninja Dianna (Talk) 18:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

And I concur. As far as I can tell from reading the talk page, this edit request is basically the same request that has been made for ~4 years. Please give it a rest until some good sources can be quoted. Sam ^Sing! 18:20, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

This is false information provided to mislead the reading public by Ramya2 about preamakeerthi's assassination. we really appreciate, if administrator involve to solve this matter. please make a online investigation about this assassination and include correct facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.163.178 (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Please provide specifics of what you say is in error and the reliable source that supports your claim. This is the only way any changes can be considered. Please note, the sources above have been deemed insufficient to support the edit above. Please do not simply repeat the same unsupported allegations. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 14:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The line which was added by Ramya20 ‘’’ A member of Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna (JVP) was found guilty of the murder on December 17, 1992 by the High Court of Colombo’’ reference, source and translation is totally providing false information. So far the Government of Sri Lanka has not conducted any investigation on Premakeerthi de Alwis’s murder or whether it was carried by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna or not. Please see follow links [[7]] Somehow the truth behind Premakeerthi's murder remained mysterious until recently when his wife Nirmala came up with the Facts through her research named Premakkerthini about murder . [[8]], [[9]] please make a strong investigation about this controversial issue and pix with correct and currents fats. We really appreciate if you can do a justification of this assassination. User ramya20 is trying to avoiding real truth since long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.223.206 (talk) 09:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

If you wanted to use those sources to report on the fact that a controversy exists, that would be factual. There are (at least) 2 sides to this story. But instead both sides in this dispute are demanding that their side be accepted as fact and the other side be removed from the article. And that is not going to happen. Clearly there are people in Sri Lanka who disagree with the government version of the event, and with the conviction. And that controversy should be included in the article in a neutral voice. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 12:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The controversy is brought up by his wife after 20 years since his death. No one else has brought up this controversy except his wife in a self published book which has been quoted by news media lately. There is no one other source that says there is controversy except her. She has been already sued in Sri Lanka for 500 million rupees for the latest statements that she has made to the media. The JVP culprits who have killed him have been convicted by the High Court of Sri Lanka and the verdict has been upheld by the appeals court. http://www.dailynews.lk/?q=local/slbc-chairman-asks-rs-500m-damages-mrs-alwis. We cannot include unsupported accusations based solely on her self published book and statements that she has made to the media based on her book. Just because she was married to him at the time of his death, she has no right to point fingers at innocent people directly or indirectly. These types of accusations are personal attacks and violate Wikipedia policies. The person who has been blocked for repeated vandalism to this page and other basic Wikipedia policy violations does not respect facts except for his own fictitious facts based on a self published book. He is making these claims thinking that someone is going to agree with him if he says it enough times. His conduct alone speaks for itself. --Ramya20 (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is should not represent personal judgement of Ramya20. we invite to solve this controversial issue for administrator. pleases include all multiple issues of this assassination. Nirmala says' to that demand A man not worth Rs.50 demands Rs.500 million Hudson Samarasinghe, who is not worth Rs.50, has sent a letter of demand demanding a sum of Rs.500 million from her as she had directly accused him of murdering her husband Premakeerthi de Alwis says Nirmala de Alwis,. She says Hudson Samarasinghe has attempted to murder her character but she had never done such a thing though there is a lot of information regarding his character.[[10]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.205.236 (talk) 14:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Because one editor has acted badly does not change the potential validity of the content. The fact is that accusations have been made, and those accusation themselves are potentially viable content. We should in no way remove any of the valid, referenced, factual content that exists. But just because you disagree with a controversy, does not make its inclusion invalid. We have hundreds of articles, thousands maybe, that have Controversy sections outlining alternate points of view and accusations from detractors. It would be incorrect to add any of these accusations as fact, but the disagreement itself and the very vocal allegations are probably valid content when framed properly. It also does not matter that the allegations are only made by one person, many famous incidents in history were uncovered by just one person shouting against the wind. I'm not saying this is one of those cases, but we cannot deny that there is another voice in this matter. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 14:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with Bill W about including alternative views but that should not violate Wikipedia policies. A self published book or content published on the media based on a self published book cannot be accepted as per the policy. If you could name one other source, except for Nirmala de Alwis' or JVP media such as lankatruth quoting her self published book, I am willing to look at with an open mind. However, it should not directly or indirectly accuse a living person without facts.--Ramya20 (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:BLPCRIME is part of the Wikipedia policy regarding biographies of living persons. It says that in the majority of cases we should not add accusations of criminal activity unless a conviction has been secured. -- Diannaa (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out that policy. I still believe it is possible to include a Controversy section that explains the facts of the matter without including the name of the person accused by the other side. Something like, "So-and-so has publicly claimed to have discovered new facts that show the wrong person was convicted in this case." Or something more graceful than that. There are many sources aside from the ones already mentioned that are covering the matter. Ultimately I have no dog in this fight, but I think some mention should be made of the controversy simply because it exists and is important to many people in that country. When I get some time I'll come up with better phrasing and a better reference to propose. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 15:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Please do not include any references to Nirmala de Alwis' self published book or her personal sentiments. This issue has been resolved by the Sri Lankan Courts System which is an independent entity. By including this controversy with direct or indirect references to a living person, this article will violate Wikipedia policy. As this is a criminal issue and there is a civil court case pending in Sri Lanka for libel, slander and defamation against her, I think it should be kept out of Wikipedia. Another reason to keep her accusations out of Wikipedia is that her sole book is based on information provided by a gangster named Tarawatte Ajit (real name Ajith Kulatunga), which is an unreliable source by any standards. She also claims that this gangster has died in a bomb blast however according to rsf, he is very much alive and lives in Europe. "Ajith Kulatunga was released on bail after three months in custody, allowing him to flee to Europe, where he currently resides." http://archives.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=9646. Please read her own blog post at http://premakeerthini.blogspot.com/ where has gotten her information from Ajith Kulatunga alias Tarawathe Ajit. "Nirmala De Alwis got truth full evidence from Tarawatthe About this murder" --Ramya20 (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Please stop. You've made your position quite clear. I already stated multiple times that I agree with the prior assessment that the previously provided references are insufficient. It does not help your case to continue posting the same rant over and over. IF anything is added to the article it will be properly sourced and written from a neutral point of view. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 17:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Bill W. Why was the change reverted back(oh I saw your comment, sorry!!)? He had a daughter named Surangi from a previous marriage with Daya de Alwis. Nirmala and Premakeerthi had a son — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramya20 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Now the page has been re-written in a pretty balanced and factual manner, I suggest that we open it up for edits hoping there won't be any IP vandalism. Bill W. thank you for suggesting that the content be written in a neutral language--Ramya20 (talk) 23:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the contribution to Bill W. and Xymmax against factual vandalism. you have done impartial justification to innocent journalist. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.164.107 (talk) 11:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

This message is from Academiava3 who is leaving information related to this page. Academiava3, please do not leave any massages on my talk page. Since all your references and the message are related to this page. I am posting it on the Premakeerthi de Alwis Talk Page. Following is his the message;--Ramya20 (talk) 16:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Gaufre biscuit.jpg eat this Academiava3 (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

   Goshaka. "The JVP and LTTE are two of a kind". Daily News. Retrieved 12 September 2010.
   Senadhira, Sugeeswara P. (1996). Under siege: mass media in Sri Lanka. Segment Books. p. 165. ISBN 8185330336.
   "Premakeethini-Who was assassinated Premakeethi". premakeerthini.blogspot(PREMAKEERTHINI pp.214. ISBN 9789555183307). 2010.
   "Premakeethini-Who was assassinated Premakeethi". premakeerthini.blogspot(PREMAKEERTHINI pp.217. ISBN 9789555183307). 2010.

page is changed again

This page is changed and it is causing factual vandalism to the Article again . please fix it . i did not post those information which is mentioned any where. please see my editing history (Academiava3 (talk) 17:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)).

Ramya20 has put this note on talk page Diannaa and she did the changes [[11]]

Need your Assistance

First, my apologies for dragging you into this controversy and writing on your personal talk page. However, you seem to have an understanding of this controversy as well as Wikipedia policy better than a lot of editors/adminis out there. The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premakeerthi_de_Alwis which has been re-written lately from a neutral point of view. I was initially okay with the new writeup, however I am concerned about including an accusation on the page violating the Wikipedia policy. I have requested the Wikipedia Biographies of the Living People noticeboard to remove accusatory content from the article. I would appreciate if you could include your opinion on this issue as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard Thank you.--108.28.168.3 (talk) 12:58, 14 September 2014 (UTC)--108.28.168.3 (talk) 13:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)--Ramya20 (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC) Thank you!!--Ramya20 (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Stop Leaving Harassing Messages on My Talk Page

Anyone can view Academiava3's harassing message on my talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ramya20&action=history. Academiava3 left the harassing message on September 12th and he has just re-created his account/Talk Page today. He is trying to hide his policy violations including harassment and being a sock-puppet of wipeouting. --Ramya20 (talk) 17:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I have wrote only Get the 5th opinion of an administrator if you would like, but I don't think the outcome is going to be different. On 17:22, 5 August 2014 ’ now it is explored all truth about murder. what do you do next ? (Academiava3 (talk) 18:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)).

Not only you did not leave a harassing message on my talk page, I guess your account is not related to wipeouting either--Ramya20 (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

If you are admitting to leaving the above message, how come that is missing from your history too. Sound just like Nirmala's book, lies for people who don't check facts.--Ramya20 (talk) 23:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Revert

I have reverted back to the last stable version last edited by User:Diannaa who had removed material as per WP:BLPCRIME as it appears to edited by an indef blocked user.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

page has been re-written in a pretty balanced and factual manner on 19:42, 21 August 2014‎ by user:Xymmax and contribution of user:Wtwilson3. but user:ramya20 made a huge propaganda avoid this version with multiple issues . we really appreciate if somebody can involve fix this mater and revert to previous version. and please banned user:ramya20 and against to factual vandalism and high protect this article. please do real justification to assassinated we known journalist in sri lanka. (Academiava4 (talk) 18:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)).

Academiava4 has been blocked for block evasion. --Ramya20 (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

user Ramya 20 cannot avoid the real issues which users has been blocked. page should be revert to in a pretty balanced and factual manner on 19:42, 21 August 2014‎ (Academiava4 (talk) 18:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)).

Note User:Academiava3 was indef blocked user and is back as User:Academiava4 ,Please refer to thisWikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wipeouting.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2014 (UTC) ‎

both of you cannot avoid the real issue blocking users. Dear Administrator please involve to this mater and do a real justification to this journalist. please revert to in a pretty balanced and neutral point of factual manner which was re-written 19:42, 21 August 2014‎ by user:Xymmax(Academiava4 (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)).

Please note the issue being discussed here Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Premakeerthi_de_Alwis regarding the assassination section.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Academiava4/Wipeouting is aware of the discussion on the noticeboard as he himself is participating in it. His problem is his lack of respect for Wikipedia policy such as disruptive behavior, harassment of other users , block evasions and copyright violations to waste the valuable time of hard working editors and administrators--Ramya20 (talk) 19:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I have blocked Academiava4 -- Diannaa (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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