Talk:Politics of the Netherlands (terminology)

This page was created as decided on Talk:Politics of the Netherlands. C mon 07:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

King / queen / monarch and his/her commissioner

There have been several discussions over whether to use the term king or queen when not talking about a specific one. 'Monarch' was one option that was mentioned to avoid the problem. But that doesn't work with a province's commissioner. One can't say 'monarch's commissioner', so a choice has to be made between king's and queen's commissioner. I'm in favour of the former for two reasons. One, the male version of a word is often used for such purposes and two, it'll be just a few years before the monarch will actually be a king, so we might as well anticipate. Neither argument is very strong, but we have to decide on something, so here's my vote.

Then again, we Limburgers just say 'gouverneur', which pretty much avoids the problem, but I suppose that won't do. :) DirkvdM 20:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting argument, but this discussion should (and probably has been) held at Queen's Commissioner the seperate article on the subject. C mon 21:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

How to link to entries in the list

The idea of this list is basically to avoid a lot of stubs (it wasn't proposed like that originally, but that's what it comes down to, right?). But we still need a way to link to the entries. One way is to use the standard format [[Politics of the Netherlands (terminology)#<entry>]]. But that's way too much to type every time. An alternative would be to make a page titled 'polnedterm' or something similar and redirect that to here and then use [[polnedterm#<entry>]]. Assuming that works (I'm not really sure). But it seems to me to make more sense to make a redirect for each term. So we make an 'article' called 'term' and then redirect that to here. That is a bit more work to set up, but much handier in use (and intuitive for those who don't know this page exists) and it rserves the title in case the description goes beyond stub-size and it deserves a separate article ('gedogen' is a likely candidate for that). That would also avoid the risk of double work in case an article already exists (we'll have to check for that, so we might as well make the reirect then) or in case someone comes up with the idea to write an article on it. If there is no article under that title, they might not find out it already existst here. So plenty reasons for that solution, I'd say.

By the way, I checked 'gedogen' and there is no article under that title, but ther is a redirect from gedoogbeleid to 'Drug policy of the Netherlands'. Of course that will not do because the term is much broader than that. But that's a different issue. Just thought I'd point it out. DirkvdM 20:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Both options are a lot of work. If you want to spend the structural time making these redirections, that's fine by me. It would also been useful if the pages of these terms might already exist, if we would like to move an entry from this page to a separate page (like Queen's Commissioner and it is not impossble that Staatssecretaris for instance would one day merit it's own separate article. Until then I'll just put in the conjunctural work. C mon 21:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it won't be that much work. Half an hour maybe (in the morning when Wikipedia is fast enough). But we do need a method to keep track of for which terms there already is a redirect in case of additions here by people who haven't read or followed this policy. Maybe some marker in the source that is invisible in the rendered text. DirkvdM 19:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Unsuccessful lijsttrekker leaves politics?

Under 'lijsttrekker' it says " If the party looses the elections, this person often leaves politics." What is meant here? First of all, what does 'losing the elections' mean? And I've never heard of a lijsttrekker leaving politics altogether as a result of bad election results. DirkvdM 19:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Kars Veeling, Eelco Brinkman, Ad Melkert, Thom de Graaf. But you're right the text is rather vague. I'll try to make it more precise. C mon 19:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Did they leave politics altogether? I haven't followed their careers, and they have been out of the picture, but I just find it unlikely that someone who has been lijsttrekker and therefore must have been very into politics would leave it completely. Didn't they get some relatively minor job for the party somewhere or something? DirkvdM 07:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC).

They left parliament, and therefore 'politics' in a narrow sense. Following the elections (May 2002) Veling resigned his post in May and left parliament in September due to stress. Following the elections (May 1994) Brinkman resigned his post in August and left parliament in April to become head of an employers' organization. Following the elections (January 2003) De Graaf resigned his post in January, unexpectedly he became vice-prime-minister in May. Following the elections (May 2002) Ad Melkert resigned his post in May, and left parliament in october, to enter international governance. C mon 07:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Cabinet = Government?

Under ministerraad it says that the government is the cabinet plus the monarch, but I've understood from various sources that the two terms mean the same, with the monarch included in both. DirkvdM 19:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Handy isn't it such a list explaining terms. But you're right the dutch system is rather complicated

§ 2.42.1 of the dutch constitution: De regering wordt gevormd door de Koning en de ministers. (government is formed by the King and the ministers).

§ 2.45.1: De ministers vormen te zamen de ministerraad. (the ministers together form the council of ministers). The Council of ministers meets every friday in the Treveszaal, the Queen never attends these meetings and is not forced to do so by law. See the dutch wikisource for the entire constitution ( http://nl.wikisource.org/wiki/Nederlandse_grondwet/Hoofdstuk_2#.C2.A7_2._Koning_en_ministers ).

Cabinet finally is not mentioned in the constitution but it is supposed to include ministers and staatssecretarissen.

I hope this clarifies.

C mon 20:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

What I said was that I thought cabinet and government were the same, with the monarch included in both. But I now realise that 'cabinet' is in practise never used in that sense. I just never saw the terms presented this way. So from my pov it would have been original research, but then I didn't write it, so I'll leave it at this. Sorry to have troubled you. :) DirkvdM 06:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

There are two issues here. First of all, there is in Dutch the distinction between the formal terms "regering" and "ministerraad", and the informal term "kabinet", where "regering" is the "ministerraad" plus the monarch, and "kabinet" is the "ministerraad" plus the junior ministers (staatssecretarissen). The most straightforward translations of the three terms are obviously "government", "council of ministers" and "cabinet".

Now there is another problem, with the English language, rather than the Dutch. There are two meanings to the word "government" in English. The first coincides with that of the Dutch word "overheid", or the concept of "the state" as used by philosophers. The second refers to a specific form of executive institution, composed of "ministers" and accountable to "parliament", which exists in most English speaking countries, including Britain and Canada, but *not* in the United States. In the United States, there is no "parliament", no "ministers", and no "government" in the above sense, but rather an executive branch embodied in the presidency, whose direct entourage is often referred to as his "cabinet". Anyhow, educated Americans are usually aware of the more specific meaning of the word "government" in the context of parliamentary systems, but the distinction bears repeating whenever the word "government" is used in this sense.194.109.198.99 17:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Old table

For historic reasons: the old table on which this article is based

C mon 21:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

getrapte verkiezingen	indirect elections
vervroegde verkiezingen	tussentijdse verkiezingen = early elections
actief stemrecht	right to vote
passief stemrecht	right to be elected
kieswet	election law
kiesraad	election council
kieskring	constituency, electoral district
stembureau	polling station, polling place
centraal stembureau
beginselprogramma	party manifesto
kiesdeler	electoral divisor, electoral quotient
restzetel	unassigned seat, remaining seat
grootste overschotten	rule of the largest remainder (in Dutch also 'systeem Roget'), largest remainder method
grootste gemiddelden	rule of the highest average (in Dutch also 'systeem d'Hondt'), highest averages method
lijstverbinding	electoral alliance, electoral pact, election coalition
confessionele partij	confessional party
niet-confessionele partij	non-denominational party
reactionaire partij	reactionary party
hoofdbestuur	central management, board of governors, central administration
dagelijks bestuur	administrative board
gewest	region, regional authority De raden van twee of meer gemeenten kunnen bij gemeenschappelijke regelingen een openbaar lichaam, genaamd gewest, instellen ter behartiging van een geheel van belangen, ten aanzien waarvan, met het oog op een evenwichtige ontwikkeling in het gebied van die gemeenten, eenheid van beleid noodzakelijk is.
algemene ledenvergadering	congres
regeerakkoord	government policy accord, coalition agreement, governmental agrement Overeenkomst tussen de bij een kabinetsformatie betrokken partijen, meestal tot stand gekomen op instigatie van de kabinets (in) formateur waarin de hoofdpunten van het regeringsbeleid voor de komende vier jaar worden vastgelegd.
staatssecretaris	Parliamentary State Secretary, parliamentary undersecretary of state, state secretary, undersecretary of state bewindsman/-vrouwe die ingevolge de Grondwet, onder verantwoordelijkheid van de minister een deel van diens taak overneemt; is politiek verantwoordelijk, onverminderd de verantwoordelijkheid vd minister 'junior minister' is perstaal Vanaf 1997 mogen Staatssecretarissen zich in het buitenland presenteren als 'vice-minister'
ministerraad	council of ministers, Raad van alle ministers samen, zonder staatssecretarissen, die beraadslaagt en besluit over het algemeen regeringsbeleid
onderraden	cabinet subcommittee
(minister(ie) zonder) portefeuille	minister without portfolio
collegiaal bestuur	collegial government peer consultation?, corporate governance?
rijksbegroting	national budget Geheel der ontwerp-wetten waarin de begroting van de uitgaven en dikwijls ook van de inkomsten wordt aangegeven a quantitative,financial expression of a programme of measures planned for a given period by the central government of a country.The budget is drawn up with a view to planning future operations and to making ex post-facto checks on the results obtained
miljoenennota (ontwerp-begroting)	budget proposal, money bill, budget memorandum, proposed national budget presents the financial position of the nation for a specified period(often a year),based on detailed estimates of planned or anticipated expenditure during that period and proposals for financing it
staten generaal	states general, parliament
eerste kamer	senate, upper house, house of lords (no aristrocracy in Holland :)), first chamber
tweede kamer	house of representatives, lower house, second chamber
reces	recess of parliament
vertrouwen opzeggen
recht van amendment	right of amendment
recht van initiatief	right of initiative, right to initiate legislation
recht van interpellatie	right of interpellation grondrecht van individuele kamerleden om leden van het Kabinet vragen te stellen over actuele onderwerpen
vragenrecht (mondeling/schriftelijk)	=right of interpellation?
budgetrecht	government budget law Bevoegdheid van de volksvertegenwoordiging de begroting goed te keuren of te verwerpen.
recht van enquete	right of enquiry?
motie	resolution, motion uitnodiging van een of meer leden van een beraadslagende vergadering aan hun medeleden om t.a.v.een niet rechtreeks aan die vergadering voorgestelde vraag een verklaring uit te spreken formal proposal to be discussed and voted on in a meeting
recht om moties in te dienen	right to move motions
novelle
spoeddebat, actualiteitendebat	emergency debate, topical and urgent debate
(parlementaire) enquetecommissie, onderzoekscommissie	national investigation commission, committee of inquiry
pleanaire vergadering, voltallige vergadering, algemene vergadering, Verenigde Vergadering	plenary meeting
quorum	quorum the minimum number of people who must be present(physically or by proxy)at a shareholders'meeting in order for a decision to be binding
kamercommissie	(vaste kamercommissie = permanent committee, standing committee) (nationale parlementaire commissie, (vaste) kamercommissie, vaste senaatscommissie = national parliamentary committee)
wetsontwerp, wetsvoorstel	government bill, bill text of a proposed law being prepared by the government
memorie van toelichting	explanatory memorandum, explanatory statemnent Schriftelijke toelichting door de regering gegeven bij de indiening van een wetsontwerp.
memorie van antwoord	memorandum in reply, memorandum of reply schriftelijk stuk waarin minister (s) of kamerleden die een wetsontwerp hebben ingediend, de naar aanleiding hiervan gemaakte opmerkingen in het Voorlopig Verslag van de beide Kamers der Staten-Generaal beantwoorden
openbare behandeling
staatsblad	official journal of laws (, decrees, etc), statute book
beleidsambtenaar	adminitrator
hoge ambtenaar	senior official? (Comité van Hoge Ambtenaren (CHA) = Committee of Senior Officials (CSO))
secretaris generaal	secretary-general hoogste ambtenaar van een ministerie
directeur-generaal	director general op één na hoogste departementsfunctionarissen
directoraat generaal	directorate general
directoraat	directorate
directeur	director, administrator (but 'director' was mentioned more often)
hoofdafdeling
afdeling	division
taakgroep
gemeentefonds	municipalities fund, local authority funds Rijksfonds waaruit gemeenten gesubsidieerd worden.
afspiegelingscollege	mirror coalition
programcollege	politicized coalition?
raadscommissie	steering committee, committee of the council
adviescommissie	advisory committee, advisory commission (latter only mentioned once) (permanente adviescommissie = Standing Consultive Commission (SCC))
wijkraad	neighbourhood council grassroots organisations in towns and cities comparable with parish councils.
stadsdeelraad	stadsdeel = deelgemeente? ward
deelgemeenteraad	stadsdeel = deelgemeente? ward
gemeenteraad	municipal council (I would have thought city council)
wethouder (schepen)	deputy mayor, alderman
(college van ) burgemeester & wethouders	municipal executive het dagelijks bestuur van de Nederlandse(..Wethouders) cq. Belgische(...Schepenen) gemeente. Het dagelijks bestuur van de Nederlandse gemeente. Het is belast met de uitvoering van de raadsbesluiten en met de medewerking aan de uitvoering van wetten, voor zover geen ander orgaan is aangewezen, en heeft daarnaast allerlei specifieke bestuurstaken consisting of Burgomaster and Aldermen.Netherlands,Belgium
burgerinitiatief	citizen's or popular initiative
(provinciale) waterstaat	public works council, provincial public works department, public works and water management Taak: oppertoezicht over de Waterstaat, zorg voor de inrichting van de ingepolderde gebieden
'natte' waterstaat	maritime and hydraulic engineering
'droge' waterstaat
verkeer en waterstaat	transport, public works and water management
provinciefonds	provinces fund, county funds Rijksfonds waaruit provincies gesubsidieerd worden.
opcenten, opcentiemen, overbelasting	supertax, tax surcharge, additional percentage tax, surcharge a tax imposed over and above a basic tax,for example on taxpayers with high incomes or as a temporary measure to raise additional government revenue a simplified form of tax increase,expressed as a percentage of the normal amount of tax payable
provinciale staten	provincial council College belast met de regeling en het bestuur van de zaken der provincie. Daaronder valt ook de reglementering van het toezicht op de waterschappen. Sedert 1848 worden de leden rechtstreeks gekozen. Het aantal leden, afhankelijk van het inwonertal van de provincies, kan volgens de Provinciewet nooit lager dan 39 en nooit hoger dan 83 zijn. Voorzitter, doch niet lid, met slechts raadgevende stem, is de Commissaris der Koningin
gedeputeerde staten, dagelijks bestuur der provincie	provincial executive, executive council
gedeputeerde	member of the provincial executive, member of the executive council
statencommissie
provinciehuis

As a result of how I made this list, it is topically grouped, not alphabetically, which seems handier for now. I wrote down the terms for which I didn't think the translation was obvious (which includes ambiguities). In many cases, I didn't even know one off hand. And now for the alphabetical list.

afgevaardigde	delegate Voting representative at a meeting.
algemene beschouwingen, Algemene Politieke Beschouwingen (APB)	Parliamentary Debate on the Speech from the Throne jaarlijks debat in de Tweede Kamer en de Eerste Kamer met de regering naar aanleiding van de Troonrede, Miljoenennota en Rijksbegroting
algemene maatregel van bestuur, besluitwet	order in council Nederlands Koninklijk Besluit met algemene strekking waarbij een wet (in formele zin) niet vereist is, uit te vaardigen na advies van de Raad van State. Strafbepalingen kunnen daarin slechts krachtens een wet worden gesteld An order made by the Queen by and with the advice of the Privy Council.Some orders in council are made under statutory authority. An order of Council is an order made by the Privy Council without the concurrence of the sovereign
algemene maatregel van bestuur, besluitwet	administrative order, royal decree, decree-law
beginselpartij, getuigenispartij	testimonial party a party that focuses on its general principles, as opposed to a 'programpartij'. For example the small religious parties Christen Unie and SGP
censuskiesrecht	suffrage based on ownership of property/tax assessment, close to 'poll tax'
centraal stembureau
constituerend beraad	pre-constituerend beraad = preliminary consultation
constitutie	constitution? (compare 'grondwet') is not the same as 'grondwet' because it also includes customs, international treaties and ordinary laws (I'd like to know more about this difference)
demissionair kabinet	caretaker government One fulfilling the functions of office on a temporary or provisional basis (Webster).
districtenstelsel	plurality system constituency system, first past the post (is that really the same?) systeem waarbij het land is opgedeeld in kiesdistricten die op basis van de verkiezingsuitslag hun eigen afgevaardigden naar de volksvertegenwoordiging sturen tot de invoering van het algemeen kiesrecht in 1917 kende Nederland een dergelijk systeem
dualisme	political dualism? (medical term!) separation between the representatives and the ministers (also within a fraction (D66/Afghanistan!))
evenredige vertegenwoordiging	proportional representation wanneer het percentage toegekende zetels gelijk is aan het percentage behaalde stemmen electoral system such that each party is represented in proportion to the numerical strength of the vote it receives
extraparlementair kabinet	a cabinet not based on a parliamentary majority
formateur	person who leads the formal talks that lead to the formation of a cabinet, mediator
fractiediscipline	party discipline
fractievoorzitter	chairman of a parliamentary party, parliamentary chairman
gedoogsteun	conditional support?
gemeente	municipality Why not 'city'? (Because city = stad (like village = dorp), an municipality = gemeente)
griffier	clerk of the court But can also be secretary general; de hoogste ambtenaar bij de Eerste Kamer of de Tweede Kamer met een belangrijke adviserende taak
grondwet	constitution? (compare 'constitutie')
handelingen	proceedings het officiële woordelijke verslag van alles wat tijdens debatten van de Tweede Kamer en in bepaalde commissievergaderingen in de Eerste en Tweede Kamer in het openbaar is gezegd (vastgelegd door een griffier?)
hoofdelijke stemming	roll-call vote
hoorzitting	hearing
informateur	<str>mediator</str> persoon, meestal (oud-)politicus, die na de Kamerverkiezingen door de koning (in) wordt benoemd en een opdracht krijgt ter voorbereiding van de kabinetsformatie A person appointed by the Queen who takes soundings and reports back to her. (Fin. Times 280876 p.11)
interim kabinet	care taker government
kiesdistrict	(voting) district, electoral district any of a variety of types of areas,such as election districts,precincts,wards,and legislative districts established by state and local governments for purposes of elections (US usage) also constituency, but that term not used for the Dutch system?
kiesdrempel	treshold minimumpercentage stemmen op een lijst, benodigd voor het behalen van een zetel eg: vijfprocentsgrens, 5%-kiesdrempel = 5% clause hurdle, 5% hurdle
koninklijk besluit	royal decree Besluit uitgaande van de koning als drager van regeringsgezag, zonder medewerking van het parlement. Een K.B.kan in Nederland zijn een algemene maatregel van bestuur of een gewoon K.B.(een zgn. klein K.B.,bijv. een benoeming of ontslag) In België is een K.B.formeel iedere handeling van de koning die door een minister medeondertekend is. Naar de inhoud onderscheidt men reglementaire, organieke en gewone besluiten door Koning(en minister(s))ondertekend bestuursrechtelijk stuk
kroon	crown? (is that really used in this sense in English too?) but = government, so avoid the term? (they use this in Canada too)
lijstduwer
lijstkiesdeler
lijstnummer	ballot number
lijsttrekker, lijstaanvoerder	leading candidate, top candidate
lijstverbinding	electoral alliance, electoral pact, election coalition afspraak tussen twee of meer enigszins verwante partijen om overtollige stemmen, waarmee ze zelf geen zetel meer kunnen halen, aan elkaar te schenken om meer kans te hebben op het verkrijgen van restzetels
meerderheidskabinet	majority cabinet, majority government
meerderheidsstelsel	'met een kandidaat' = uninominal election, uninominal method of voting 'met meer dan een kandidaat' = plurinominal majority election, plurinominal method of majority voting majority system
minderheidskabinet	minority cabinet, minority government
minister van staat	honorary minister, minister of state an honorary title for advisors (there are 8 at present) Nederlandse eretitel, door de Koning verleend aan personen die zich in openbare functies in bijzondere mate hebben onderscheiden. Aanvankelijk werden aan de Ministers van Staat incidenteel commissies opgedragen en namen zij soms aan vergaderingen van de kabinetsraad des Konings deel. Na de ontwikkeling van de ministerraad als zelfstandig orgaan was het gedurende een aantal jaren ook mogelijk dat de Minister van Staat tijdelijk of voor de behandeling van bepaalde onderwerpen toegang tot de ministerraad werd gegeven. Sedert de invoering van de volledige ministeriële verantwoordelijkheid in 1848 heeft de benoeming tot Minister van Raad geheel het karakter van een eervolle onderscheiding works with Ministers in charge of departments with responsibility for specific functions and is sometimes given a title which reflects these particular functions.He may be given a seat in the Cabinet and paid accordingly(1).Privy Councillor:nowadays the main function of the Privy Council is to advise the Queen to approve Orders in Council...The Privy Council also advises the Crown on the issue of royal proclamations...The Council's own statutory responsibilities include powers of supervision over the registering bodies for the medical and allied professions.Apart from Cabinet Ministers who must be Privy Councillors,membership of the Council is accorded by the Sovereign on the recommendation of the Prime
ministeriele verantwoordleijkheid	ministerial responsibility techniek in het parlementaire stelsel die de wetgevende instelling toelaat de regering tot ontslag te dwingen
monisme	political monism lack of 'dualisme', ie representatives support the ministers (of their fraction)
motie van wantrouwen	motion of no confidence parlementaire stemming waarbij een regeringsactie wordt afgekeurd expression of disapproval or criticism addressed to the government by a parliamentary assembly
motierecht
nationaal kabinet	national cabinet
onverkiesbaar	een kandidaat als onverkiesbaar weren = to eliminate a candidate because of ineligibility
opkomst	voter turnout
opkomstplicht	compulsory voting
parlementair kabinet	cabinet based on a majority in cabinet, majority government
polarisatiestrategie	strategy of polarization
prinsjesdag	budget day Dag der plechtige opening der Staten-Generaal(derde dinsdag in september.De koningin spreekt de troonrede uit en de begrotingen en miljoenenota worden ingediend.
programpartij	focuses more on the current elections than its genral principles, as opposed to a 'beginselpartij'
regeerakkoord	government policy accord, coalition agreement Overeenkomst tussen de bij een kabinetsformatie betrokken partijen, meestal tot stand gekomen op instigatie van de kabinets (in) formateur waarin de hoofdpunten van het regeringsbeleid voor de komende vier jaar worden vastgelegd.(1)
staatsblad	official journal of laws, decrees etc. , statute book
staatscourant	government gazette door de Staat uitgegeven krant, onder de verantwoordelijkheid van de minister van Binnenlandse Zaken
statuut voor het koninkrijk der Nederlanden, koninkrijksstatuut	Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands overeenkomst waarin de relatie tussen Nederland, de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba is geregeld en die boven de Grondwet staat
stembiljet	ballot paper
stembureau	polling station, [polling place]]
stembus	ballot box
troonrede	Speech from the Throne, Throne Speech rede waarin de koning (in) op ^prinsjesdag^ de regeringsplannen voor het komende jaar uiteenzet in de Ridderzaal, in aanwezigheid van beide Kamers der Staten-Generaal
verkiesbaar	eligible
vervroegde verkiezingen	early elections
volksinitiatief	citizens' or popular initiative
volmachtstem	vote by proxy, abstentee voting
voorkeursdrempel
voorkeursstem
vrouwenkiesrecht	female suffrage, women's suffrage
zwevende kiezer	floating voter?, swing voter, independent voter

And then finally a list that can be expanded with other terms, like the ones you mentioned.

gedogen	acquiescence
gedoogbeleid	anticiperend gedoogbeleid (beleid dat wijzigingen van de wetgeving anticipeert) = policy of anticipatory abstention from bringing criminal charges
schoolstrijd
eenmansfractie

Incorporating pages

There are a few pages, which could better be lemmas of this page instead of separate pages. They're all pages with dutch names referring to political phenomena. Also they're only a few, tend short, often orphanized and not terribly well written. I intend to merge them with this page.

A list of them:

• Allochtoon
• Polder Model
• Schout
• Queen's Commissioner
• Water board

What do you think? Keep or merge? --C mon 13:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Stadsdeel

Since Rotterdam is divided into deelgemeenten the term stadsdeel only applies to Amsterdam. I suggest the entry be corrected or perhaps even removed completely because of its narrow scope.

-Tonkiro 14:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Cutting up this page

I've decided that this page does not work very well, the problem is that

1. not all people know that this list exists, especially not the people one would make this for
2. It is getting too large
3. it is outdated

Therefore I've started to cut this page up, mostly by creating separate pages based on this page. For now I will keep this page, if only because I've been unable to find a good way to deal with several entries. C mon 15:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Issue one can be solved by making sure that the list is wikilinked when useful; otherwise people will not learn the partial lists exist as well. Arnoutf 17:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I did not make short lists but mainly short articles. See my contributions. C mon 19:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is a lot of interesting work you have undertaken. That will make checking up on the differnt terms much easier. Arnoutf 19:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)