Talk:Pole's Big Adventure

Move?

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The result of the move request was not moved, as the current title is the most commonly used title in English. Should this situation change in the future, a move can be considered at that time. -- Aervanath (talk) 14:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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• Pole's Big Adventure → Chin Dōchū!! Pole no Daibōken — There's no official translation yet. — Prime Blue (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
• Moved this here because the article has four references all calling it "Pole's Big Adventure" and moving it to a non-English title is usually not good. LonelyMarble (talk) 16:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Most English websites will use a loose translation of a Japanese title rather than the actual title. Support move, until an official English title is announced we have to use the Japanese title. TJ Spyke 17:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NC#Use English words and common names. This appears to be the current common English name as shown in the article's references. Wikipedia doesn't care about official names. If some other English name comes into use later, the article should be moved at that time. Station1 (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Support move as it's just a fan translation from Sega Nerds that got picked up by major media outlets. Other Japanese games without an official English title also use the Japanese one instead of fan translations, as seen with Torneko no Daibōken: Fushigi no Dungeon, instead of Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon. WP:NC#Use English words and Wikipedia:OFFICIALNAMES do not talk about translated article names but about transliterations, common usage names and "come-to-be official" titles that have been established over the years (like with Mount Everest). Addtionally, Wikipedia:MOS-JP does not suggest the usage of unofficially translated titles for Japanese media. If we do this, we might as well rename hundreds of other pages that use the original Japanese title right now, despite the existence of an unofficial English version, same goes for fictional characters. Prime Blue (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I get 14,400 English ghits for the current name, nearly all of the first few pages of them relevant, and no English ghits at all for the proposed one. Andrewa (talk) 05:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Potential move

What Prime Blue had said was fairly important. Per WP:NCVG, one of the few guidelines that specifically cover the article titles of video games, unofficial titles are to be outright avoided. Point #2 may throw you off, though if it does, then point #1 and point #2 outright contradict each other, which is clearly not the case here. Aside from that, this may sound like it would conflict with numerous general guidelines; keep in mind that they don't specifically explain the situation with video games (and many other categories), which is what WP:NCVG and the like are for. Simply put, a large part of the appropriate guidelines for situations like this rest on there being an official English name, which does not exist for this particular game. This article should be at Chindōchū!! Pōru no Daibōken, and Pole's Big Adventure should not be considered an alternate name until publishers or game developers point this out however they do; however, Pole's Big Adventure certainly should redirect here.

Now I don't know why I'm putting this here, but... "But shouldn't it be kanji then?" The purpose of romaji is to render Japanese pronunciations into the Latin alphabet, and this is something accepted by Japan as a whole (everyone really should read the History part of that particular article, it's grand). Whether that's not enough is up to you, but I'm sure that as far as the English Wikipedia (and many others) goes, romaji forms are appropriate enough for an "official title", and the typical usage of drawn-out hiragana forms of kanji-heavy titles (as you'll see all the time on the Japanese Wikipedia) help greatly in this regard. Otherwise, whatever romanization system deemed more appropriate should be used. 174.111.81.238 (talk) 02:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)