Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver/Archive 1

Archive 1

NA and EU TBA

NA and EU weren't mentioned in the article, thus we shouldn't add them until they are announced as TBA. 24.196.93.50 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, because technicly they havent said that it will ever come out in anything but Japan. So we cant put that. --Blake (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, so I removed the TBA for US/EU. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 00:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Merger discussion

Support merge

• Support Not enough information right now. TheLeftorium 14:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support per WP:CRYSTAL. There is little to no information available about these yet. All we can definitively say so far is that the games are being developed. There is no other concrete or confirmed information that is yet available, and that is not enough for these to warrant their own articles yet. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Note - I have restored the redirect, as the article had almost no information, contained baseless speculation, and cited zero sources. WP:IAR and WP:CCC, as cited by User:Aruseusu, do not apply. In addition, Aruseusu, you have already violated WP:3rr, and I dropped a warning on your talk page. If you revert my edit, I will seek 3rd party action. Instead, keep the discussion on this page. Artichoker^[talk] 18:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support Not enough stuff at the moment. It will get its own article once more information has been released. So just relax and wait a while. Just a few days after it got announced there was already a video on Gold walking arround New Bark Town with Chickorita following him. More will come very soon. --Blake (talk) 19:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Comment: Why is there even a discussion about a merger? There is no information on the page to merge so what's the point? Shouldn't this be a discussion on if it current warrants its own page, which at the moment it does not. The article clearly fails WP:N so it was redirected. Merge discussions usually come later on when it apparent that this article is basically the same as Gold and Silver and there is no reason for it to have it's own page. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 19:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
  • I guess the discussion continued, even after I redirected the article. This is fine in my view, as we currently in the process of establishing some consensus (the result of which is quite clear right now.) Artichoker^[talk] 21:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support; Despite the fact that I am a huge pokémon fan, there is just not enough information for Heart Gold and Soul Silver to have it's own article right now. Those opposing the merge should read WP:CRYSTAL and then we should wait until we have enough verifiable information before the game gets it's own article. And as noted, stand alone, it fails WP:N. Looneyman (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support: The games are unreleased, they clearly have the same plot, making the changes only a gameplay and graphics upgrade to Diamond/Pearl level. It could only be split if, in the future, there's a large amount of development info, which I doubt.--_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep merged until closer to the release of the games in Western countries, and then re-evaluate. If all there in terms of sourcing is the new gamplay, graphics, and additional reception elements, keep merged. If there is more on the revamp's developments, then a separate article may be warranted. --MASEM (t) 13:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep merged. If it one day has sufficient content to warrant splitting, then do it. Don't do it because in theory, it may. As it stands, the only new elements are wind, 3D, and the following mechanic. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support: There is insufficient information about the game at present to justify a separate article. Possibly after the Japanese release, or enough information has been released in reliable sources, then all the information can be put back here. Don't worry, there will be enough information eventually. It's not a third version unlike Platinum and Emerald. It's along the lines of FireRed/LeafGreen. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 18:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merge

• Oppose The other games have their own pages, and no one has contested those. I challenge the nominator to name one reason why this game isn't notable but all the others are. --Aruseusu (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's two reasons:

1. It hasn't been released yet (we don't even know the release date!). See WP:CRYSTAL.

2. There's basically no information available about it, and the little information available can stay at the Gold and Silver page until more becomes available so that we can recreate the article. TheLeftorium 15:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose If this is merged with Gold and Silver then FireRed and LeafGreen should be merged with Red and Blue, which would be pointless as they're separate games. Please, put a little thought and logic into your suggestions before you suggest them; this is an upcoming game and should be treated just like any other upcoming game page. --92.10.116.6 (talk) 15:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I suspect a sockpuppet... TheLeftorium 15:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

If you think the IP is a sockpuppet, your free to have someone checkuser it. Just because someone agrees with me doesn't automatically make him or her a sockpuppet. --Aruseusu (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess you're right. I shouldn't have made that comment, sorry, I've just had a frustrating day. :P TheLeftorium 15:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose OMG Just give it its own page!!! There are loads of Albums that get their own pages even before the release date is known. They get pages as soon as its confirmed that the album is being recorded! Why should it be any different for games! Its confirmed that its being made so whats the big deal?! Pokemon HG&SS is going to be get its own page eventually so all this bickering is pointless and frustrating for those that are wanting to find out more about the games. If the best argument that anyone supporting this merger is that there are no references/sources then that is seriously pathetic. Theres going to be more than enough information to reference soon enough so theres little point in delaying the inevitable. The fact that these games are remakes of two of the most successful games ever should be more than enough reason for them to be given their own page.Pyro Stick (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

That information will be available soon does not mean that what we have deserves it's own article now. If a standalone article with the current information were created, it would likely be removed per CSD or taken to AFD. In regards to your arguments regarding the innumerable articles about albums, read WP:OTHERCRAP and WP:PTEST. To quote from the latter, "an argument that an article is at least as notable as an arbitrary Pokémon is still a subjective argument on the notability of that article, rather than reliance on the primary notability criterion (multiple, independent, reliable sources). Who can be certain that Rhydon really isn't more notable than Uncle Steve's Garage Band, after all?" MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, isn't a valid argument. The issue here is whether there will be enough context and reliable sources to justify a separate article, and following that line, it won't necessarily get its own page if there isn't enough information. You seem to be quite hyped and confident that there is "more than enough information", so please, find us some sources, and then we shall talk. Artichoker^[talk] 19:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think if you read what i wrote i said "Theres GOING to be more than enough information to reference soon enough..." so dont try and attack me and/or get me into a fight, over Pokemon of all things. Theres no question wether of not it will get its own page. Its inevitable so i see little point in arguing. Pyro Stick (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

We are saying it will get its on page later. But right now there isnt enough content. So just wait untill they release some more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bws2cool (talk • contribs) 20:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And I think if you read what I wrote, you'll see that I said "that information will be available soon does not mean that what we have deserves it's own article now". Will information become available later? Of course, but articles aren't created based on what might become available as time passes. Their based on what information is available now. When the information becomes available, then it gets included. But at the moment, there is no information to even be included. MelicansMatkin (talk) 20:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. Third-party sources (such as [1], [2], and [3]) are already reporting on the new games. Also note that WP:CRYSTAL doesn't discourage against creating articles about future products, it just says not to add speculation to them. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 07:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

But the question is whether there is enough information (namely development) to justify a separate article. Your provided links don't seem to indicate anything that isn't already covered in the small section contained in the G/S article. Artichoker^[talk] 11:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• Switzerland. I've been thinking about it and I'm not so sure it should have an article right now. I'm not so sure it shouldn't either, so I'll stay out of it and learn to live with the outcome, whichever way it goes (something tells me it'll end in 'support'). -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 19:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Main image

I replaced the Japanese HG box with the English HG logo. I left out the SS logo for the same reason we only use one box art. -sesuPRIME 01:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Kanto

Kanto is in these games. There have been screenshots shown from Route 1 and Pallet town. Also the Manget train has been shown, which travels between the regions. These haven't been covered on any reliable source? Also it would be nice if the article said something about the new Safari Zone and Battle Frontier. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Serebii's got some stuff on the Safari Zone, but I don't know if it counts as a reliable source for information. Mokoniki | talk 20:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Serebii doesnt count as a reliable source. no. By the way, if you havent seen these videos, I suggest viewing them. Lots of good stuff. It probably isnt a reliable source either though. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

One youtube user by the name of giancarloparimango11 could be used as a source. Why, you ask? He has been posting updates on it since september '08, before even the name was released. He also has the game. Try him for proof.--C0d3 br3ak3r (talk) 19:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Leaked on 2ch

I think a section in the article should be added about this. According to Bulbapedia, yesterday the games were leaked on 2ch. Source: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold,_SoulSilver_games_leaked K3fka (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Leaked a bit early, yes, but unfortunately Bulbapedia cannot be used as a source (and I doubt we will ever find a reliable source stating this information, sadly). Keep an eye on IGN; they may have a blurb on it that we can use. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hoo noy, people are behind. ROM was leaked early this morning. Either way, it's highly unlikely there will be a reliable source for either the 2ch or ROM leak, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Games sold nearly 1.5 million copies

IGN article. Could someone put this in the article? would it go in the lead or Reception? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Some more sales figures that show the games topping the charts for another few weeks, apparently written by the same author as above, though on another site of questionable reliability. BlazerKnight (talk) 01:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Differences

Now that these games are released in Japan, what are the differences between these titles and their predecessors? --Bilge [TC] 12:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

A number of things. The pseudo-rival, graphics changes, Gym Leaders appearing in the Fighting Dojo for rematches, etc. A full list can be found on Bulbapedia. We need to wait for sources to put anything on here though. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge Request (into Pokemon Gold and Silver)

Just like how Platinum was merged into Diamond/Pearl, I don't think this incremental upgrade has enough "new" content to warrant the creation of a separate article. The main selling point is the PokeWalker (which there should be more info on), but there aren't any major changes from the rest of the 4th generation. Wikipedian06 (talk) 09:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC) Wikipedian06 (talk) 09:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but Platinum was merged into Diamond and Pearl because it was a third version of those games. HG/SS are remakes, and should be considered as new games (in the vein of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen) rather than an upgraded version of the originals. There is enough new content in the games to warrant an article, the information just isn't out there in reliable sources yet as the games were only released in Japan, and are not due out in English until some point next year. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 11:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Like he said, HGSS is not in the same vein as Platinum, but more like FRLG. Once the games come out, and there are many reliable sources, then there is no doubt this article will be GA class. It can stand on its own right now, though. It will just have to be a start class for a good 4-5 months. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 12:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

And notice how much fluff the FRLG article has. Half of it is a repeat of the RBY article, explaining how the general Pokemon gameplay formula works. Most of the HGSS updates are trivial alterations that do little to change the core gameplay. For example, the Pokemon following you, the team commemorative photos, etc. The only "major" additions are the PokéWalker and Pokéthlon, which I think can be adequately covered within the main GSC article. See this lengthy comparison guide for Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World (GBA) vs. the original SNES Super Mario World. SMA2 once had its own article, but it's now merged into Super Mario World. Wikipedian06 (talk) 01:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It's probably best to just wait. The article isn't exactly tiny and will likely get a lot bigger when the games come out. I'd say wait until a month or so after the games come out and only merge if the article doesn't become decent by then. --Yair rand (talk) 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's actually been more than a month since the game has been released. Based on previous Pokemon games, it's highly unlikely that the English version will have any additional content that's not present in the original Japanese version, so all information about this game is already known at this point. An article's size and/or popularity aren't good criteria for determining whether it's appropriate for Wikipedia. As shown by the SMA2 comparison guide, a laundry list of subtle GSC-to-HGSS changes can easily "fluff up" an article, but that doesn't mean they're relevant to a general (not Pokemon-specific) information database like the Wikipedia. Wikipedian06 (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not that the English release will have more content, but it's the fact that the English release will result in relaible sources documenting the changes to be released. FR/LG, in whatever state you claim it to be, managed to make it to GA, and nothing's to say that HG/SS can't make it to GA after the English release. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 09:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. This article is notable, so it can stay. Once HGSS is closer to english release, more sources will pop up and we can bulk up the article. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Right, I'm well aware that you can "bulk up" this article in the same manner as FRLG by paraphrasing most of the GSC & Pokemon gameplay articles and listing every trivial difference between the two games. But that'd be pointless. I don't understand why people on this site are so against merging articles. It's not as if your hard work is being deleted, just that the info is relocated and condensed for maximum efficiency. We had the same discussion with Platinum, too. Wikipedian06 (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Just look at Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen's Development and Reception sections. Would you want those in Pokémon Red and Blue? No. It would be undue weight. It doesnt matter if the gameplay and plot are somewhat simmilar. The third games such as Platinum would have much of the same development and reception as Diamond and Pearl. There wouldn't be enough for a whole article. The remakes such as FRLG and HGSS are whole new games though. They have to be developed almost from scratch.(Except for the engine, which I would guess FRLG uses Emerald's, and HGSS uses Platinum's) _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 16:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedian, I think you need to lower the level of attacks. You seem insistent that the people who developed the FRLG article were "fluffing" and "bulking" it up. And don't use statements like "why are people so against merging?". I'm not against merging, I'm against merging this. There is a stark constrast between Platinum and FR/LG - Platinum uses the exact same mechanics largely and is on the "same level" of technology. It shouldn't have an article due to how incredibly similar it is to D/P. Point being, another article, Super Mario 64 DS, is split because it is self-sustaining. We look at things on a case-by-case basis - even if Yellow somehow got its own article, it wouldn't be an argument to make articles for all the other remakes in the series. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per the comments above. While merging is often beneficial, in this case it would be detrimental to the subject matter. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Release Date

According to Gamestop, the release date for pre-orders on HG/SS is April 4, 2010. Do you think this should be updated? - Anonymous, 14:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Not yet, I think we should wait a little longer before we update for an English release date. Mokoniki | talk 18:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I also feel we should wait. I Feel Tired (talk) 18:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Update, according to the Korean Nintendo website, the release date for korea is 4 Feb 2010 http://nintendo.co.kr/DS/soft/2.php ~~~~

People, unless there is an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT by Nintendo, then the date will not be changed. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, guys. Gamestop's just going to hold the games for three weeks and have their own release date. Of course. 75.111.124.240 (talk) 02:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed US release date is March 14th. If you guys were super pokemon nerds, you'd know too. --C0d3 br3ak3r (talk) 19:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

References

AUS release could be wrong

Mighty Ape states that the product is an IMPORT meaning it could take 5 days form them to get their shipment from America --121.72.231.161 (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Translation Help

Could anybody kindly tell me what this means please? http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss248/Zuphix/Japs.jpg?t=1263246171 87.102.116.238 (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipedia is not a forum. Talk pages discuss developing the article. That is the intro page though. One button shows the gameplay controls and whatnot. One of the buttons starts the game. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

"Silver"

While playing the game I discovered that Silver is Giovanni's son. In the article it mentions that there are no surprises. I figure this is a fairly large one that will probably go on to affect the anime. (24.22.195.180 (talk) 06:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC))

Silver was confirmed as Giovanni's son ever since the Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen volumes of the Pokémon Adventures manga, although there were hints in Pokémon Gold and Silver and the FireRed and LeafGreen games. The manga and games are somewhat the same universe. The anime is a whole different universe. Also, the part that mentions "no surprises" is a quote from a magazine saying their view on the game. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 14:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Storyline differences

I think it'd be smart if we pointed out the differences between the GS plots and the HGSS plots, as the HGSS plot is a mix of the GS plot and the Crystal plot. Just a suggesstion.--C0d3 br3ak3r (talk) 19:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

New Pichu x2

I can't find sufficient refs on event dates while at work, but a section on the Pichu promotional event might be a good add to this. Gamestop stores are offering a free "Pikachu-colored" Pichu between January 25 and February 14 (I believe) in the US to anyone who brings in their D/P/P game and has at least gotten the Pokedex in-game. This Pichu when traded to the upcoming HG/SS will unlock a special event which will get you the "Spikey-eared" Pichu. 72.37.171.52 (talk) 18:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I know this is a somewhat late reply, but this can be mentioned on Pichu's page, not here. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Pichu doesn't really have a page per se, his page redirects to List of Pokémon (152–180). I Feel Tired (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Pichu doesn't have its own page, but it still has a place on a page. In any encyclopedia, all the Pokemon would be together in the book. This is no different. These are just merged because they aren't important enough for a whole separate page. Real articles just usually have a lot of fluff to make their pages bigger. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 18:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Understandable. I was bringing this up in the same spirit as the inclusion of special Shaymin, Giratina, Regigigas, etc. on the D/P/P page as well as previous examples on other specific generation game pages. However, the deciding factor could be the fact that Pichu is not legendary, and this one is simply a recoloring of a common pokemon. StryyderG (talk) 22:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, there are event Pokemon all the time. The thing is though, these event Pichu open up a plotline, dont they? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat. The Pikachu Colored Pichu, which was available for download at Gamestop, allows you to get the Spiky Eared Pichu when traded from D/P/P to HG/SS and taken into the Ilex Forest. As well, the Jirachi that is being given away now through 3/13 supposedly unlocks something special on the pokewalker pedometer device. 72.37.171.52 (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

dubious assertion

"allowing players to collect old Pokémon species that were previously unobtainable in the new games"
I was under the impression that most if not all of the gold/silver generation pokemon could be got in the new games by playing colloseum and XD, trading them to ruby/sapphire/fire red/leaf green and finally trasferring them through the pal park. Plugwash (talk) 00:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that it means by the main games. I for one, as for a lot of people, don't play those console games. The console games don't count as a way to get them. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Many people would argue that they do in fact count; perhaps clarifying it by altering the sentence to "the new handheld games" would work better. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I mean they are a completely legit way of getting the species, but I don't think Nintendo wants that to be the ONLY way to obtain some of them since it isn't in the main RPG series.(I don't really know that much about them though.) _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

trading/transfer

How has this been handled? in particular

• Is ordinary trading allowed between these games and diamond/pearl/platinum? if so does it have to be unlocked in any way?
• Is any form of interaction possible with GBA pokemon games? if so how (e.g. has the time capsule been retained? has pal park been slotted in or has something else entirely been done?)?.

Plugwash (talk) 02:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkpages are not FORUMS, but I would imagine that trading between DPPt games are the same as trading people with HGSS. Also, PalPark is where Kanto's Safari Zone usually is. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 02:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I find the lack of mention of trading and it's restrictions in our pokemon articles somewhat weird given how major a role trading plays in the game of collecting pokemon. Even weirder is that the ruby and sapphire article mentions connectivity with stuff outside the main game series but not connectivity (and the lack of it) within the main series (other than a brief mention in the crticial response section). Plugwash (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, this article says ^{HeartGold and SoulSilver can access the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection and are also fully compatible with Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum.} which means that they can trade and battle with each other. Really, if you are looking for real information on Pokemon related subjects, Bulbapedia is the best place to look. It has information on EVERYTHING. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Slot Machines in EU release

Official Nintendo magazine in the UK mentioned in its recent preview/review of HGSS that the slot machines in the game corner have been removed due to an EU ruling against slot machines in childrens' games. Given that Platinum had the slot machines removed in the EU released as well, I think this may be valid, however I can't find anything on the web to support this.

Does anyone have any information regarding this? 193.132.145.151 (talk) 12:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

The only place I could find information on this was Bulbapedia, which isn't a reliable source. I'm also unsure of it's validity. What do other people think? Looneyman (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I have found a mention of it on serebii and it also said the original games the slot machines were removed but I also know serebii is not official and I will keep looking but I would say we should wait and see if they got rid of the slot machines or not or at least an official Nintendo of EU announcement or credible source confirms the removal of the slot machines.--Marchbaby 23:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchbaby321 (talk • contribs)

I heard of that. I think you should just wait a week until the game comes out and sites like IGN make reviews and guides and whatnot that can be sourced. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I heard the Australian games will also have a mini game instead of slot machines and I believe Aussie nintendo has an article on it. The US games will have the slots which since I live in the US that is good news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchbaby321 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The US versions do not have slots. The reason for that is because the US and EU/AU version were released around the same time and keeping the slot machines in the US version would delay the EU and AU versions of the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.134.188.237 (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pichu event now on wifi

I am not sure if we should add it to the article but the gamestop pichu is now alaviable on wifi for the US, EU and AUS regions. It ends March 25th which is when the games are released in AUS. Aussie nintendo has an article over it and I have not gotten a chance to check pokemon.com to see if it has been added but I just thought I would ask if we should make this addition of not.--Marchbaby 23:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchbaby321 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hardly relevant in my opinion. Looneyman (talk) 10:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it irrelevant? The addition does unlock a small feature in the game, after all. I'd call that relevant. If you want to add it, Marchbaby, then go right ahead, but I'd recommend using the Nintendo source; no article lasts forever on Pokemon.com, and their structure makes it impossible to archive later once it has been taken down. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Alright I will add it. I am not very good at adding links to wikis though so someone may have to edit it after I add it only so it works.--Marchbaby 20:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchbaby321 (talk • contribs)

I fixed the reference for you. I think the sentence should be tweaked to include the one gave out in Jan. 30 to Feb. 14. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 21:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I just fixed the dates for the wifi event and I will add the Gamestop event as well.Also thank you Blake. Marchbaby321 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.132.176 (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Are they actually doing the Pichu in the US again? The one I picked up was back in the first 2 weeks of Feb. StryyderG (talk) 19:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Slots removed in US release as well

I played through HG and found out the slots have been removed from both game corners. Would this be worth noting in the article if I find a reference to the slots being removed.--Marchbaby321 17:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I would say so, though it would be preferable if the source also mentioned why they were removed; I've heard its because of laws enacted in the EU, but I don't think that has been verified. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Alright I will try and find some references that state why they were removed and then I will add it to the article.--Marchbaby321 17:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

BodyCrystal

The name for the director's cut version of HeartGold and SoulSilver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.220.175 (talk) 17:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a Source for that? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 18:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

seems a dubious prank, since the other remake set didn't have a director's cut, and they have already begun work on gen V. StryyderG (talk) 19:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

snorlax

How do I get snorlax out of the way in Heartgold?

Zak. March 24, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.171.37 (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. Ask on a forum, not here. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 21:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Get the Kanto radio station from the Radio Tower in Lavender City, then go by the Snorlax and calibrate the radio near the top of the little circle. But for future reference, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment is a good place to ask. Tezero (talk) 21:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum. Looneyman (talk) 16:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Wi-Fi Events

I think maybe there should be a list of Wi-fi events and dates that they occur in different countries. this is a list from Serebii. Biohazard701 (talk) 00:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Serebii is not a reliable source; and a list of Wi-Fi events is really too trivial to include, in all honesty. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Although it could be sourced by reliable sources, I really think that these events would go better on the individual Pokemon's page, instead of the game. There will not be a list, and a whole paragraph of event Pokemon would be odd. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 02:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Dutch version technical issue

Would it be worth mentioning in the article that the Dutch release of the game has been delayed due to a severe glitch in the game's saving feature (reported here but needs translation.) Endless Ocean had a similar issue in it's initial japanese release. Looneyman (talk) 12:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think anybody reading this would care about the dutch version being delayed. Only the Japanese(Home region) and English(US, UK, AUS) releases are tracked. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 14:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Content to be mentioned doesn't require it to be from a specific region, just that it be notable. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I guess it could be added. It just would feel out of place I guess. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Not really; it would fit fairly well under Marketing and release, being a release issue. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Plot

Somebody really needs to write the plot section. IGN's walkthrough should help to source most of it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 03:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree. All the main series Pokémon games have stiltedly short plots here, except maybe Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire. Tezero (talk) 21:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Video Games asessment

Well done all, this article easily passes B class. As there isn't much in relation to issues, I thought I'd point out some things that would be necessary to update should this get a GAN nomination:

• File:Pokemon HeartGold Version box.jpg needs to use Template:Vgboxart fur. It provides a much cleaner and complete rationale for box art
• Date formats are not consistent. The references are fine as-is (YYYY-MM-DD), but the prose and infobox change formats -- (ex: September 12, 2009 and 12 September 2009)
• The second paragraph of the Critical reception section should probably be split in two so that the user does not feel overwhelmed with a small wall of text - but that's merely my opinion.

Reviewed by --Teancum (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC) Overall, a fairly decent article. There are a few things that need to happen before it can pass as GA, however.

• Lead:
  • The lead doesn't mention anything about what the game's plot or gameplay are like. Also missing is any mention of its development or marketing {WP:LEAD)

    fixed

• Body:
  • The "Gameplay" section doesn't do enough to explain what the heck Pokemon is to the uninitiated, in my opinion. Perhaps moving the plot section before and giving more of an introduction would help, along the lines of "This is World X. There are creatures called Pokemon here that X. People called trainers use them for fights, they are captured, traded, etc." Just the broad strokes. Doing so means that you wouldn't have to amend much of the gameplay section.

    I have no idea what to do for this. This may be something that would help it for FA, but for GA this should be enough.

    • Avoiding jargon, being clear and concise, and addressing the main aspects of the topic are good article criteria. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 14:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

  • "New features" section: Well, as the article says, not all of it is new features. "The player may talk to the Pokémon, and occasionally it may pick up certain items." → those items are what, exactly? If you aren't going to name specifics, axe the "certain".

    fixed

  • "Another new item is the GB Sounds, which plays the game's score in its original chiptune format."→unsourced, and confusing. The game's original score? Are you referring to the score from Gold and Silver? Since it's never been mentioned before this point it's hard to tell.

    fixed

    • Still unsourced. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 14:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

  • "HeartGold and SoulSilver introduced many features that were not included in the original Gold and Silver."→such as?

    linked to new features section

  • "A "Pikachu colored Pichu" ..." → I took a stab at rewording this. The tense of the prose suggested that the promotion was still going on, which makes no sense unless you clarify.
  • Critical reception: The first paragraph goes through lots of print publications, but the second paragraph treats it like it was international responses, to wit: "The response from English media outlets has been highly positive". This needs to be reorganized.

    fixed

  • "1UP.com gave", et al: Publications don't really give the scores, the people writing the games do. Unless an article is signed as "IGN staff" or such, it's best to name the actual critic, e.g., "IGN's Craig Harris".

    fixed

  • If you've got a score table, repeating "GameSpot gave them X, IGN gave them Y" is a waste of prose. Discuss the individual reception... overall? To the new features? To the technical aspects? For an example of what I'm talking about, take a look at Halo Wars's reception section; it's divided into discussions about plot, multiplayer, and gameplay, among other things.
  • " The combined sales of the two games make them the highest selling games of March" → So those are the best-selling games of March ever? Or were that month's highest-selling titles?

    fixed

  • The "Soundtrack" section isn't even a real paragraph. Fold the relevant info into the release section.

    fixed

• Misc.:
  • What makes Game Observer a reliable source, and what makes them prominent enough that their score is called out for special attention?

    removed

  • The prose needs a comb-through. I'd fixed little things here and there, but the use of passive voice is persistent and unnecessary in most instances and should be reworded where it appears. Repetitious structure is another failing of the article; every time the syntax is repeated twice or more in close proximity, change it (i.e., do something about things like "As of May 6, the games sold 8.4 million units worldwide.[47] As of July 29, the games have reached 10 million sales worldwide."

If you need to get my attention about this review, my talk page is a faster way to get a response. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have been busy recently, but I will try and fix up the article when I can. Thanks for the review. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 19:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed some things. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I added to the lead, and added editor names to the reception. Is the "Pokemon world" really not explained enough in the first gameplay pharagraph? Also, is the reception rewrite really needed? If so somebody else should do it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 21:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Letting you know I've been on a mini-vacation, but I've seen your note and will follow up on this review today or tomorrow (EST). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Is this still being worked on? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, I will try and find a source for the GB sounds, but the Gameplay and Reception rewrites will have to be done by somebody else. I asked New Age Retro Hippie (talk · contribs) if he could do it, since he has awesomely rewritten a lot of reception sections recently, but he hasn't responded. I suppose you can close the review, unless you want to halt it until that gets done. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I'll give the article a copy edit. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC))
        • I hope the edits addressed most of the concerns above. I also have some comments.
          1. The table has a lot of scores, many that are repetitive. There are 4 scores of 90% (Eurogamer, GamePro, GameZone, and VideoGamer.com), and I would remove 2–3 on them, because 11 scores in a table is too many.
          2. I marked some content in the "Connectivity" section with a citation need.
          3. I think accessing the Nintendo Wi-Fi should be elaborated. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC))
          • • I don't really know what to remove from the reception table except maybe VideoGamer.com. I fixed the WiFi sentence I guess. Also, I removed the unsourced Pokewalker bit about losing it, since its not that relevant. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 02:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Ho-oh and Lugia

Shouldn't Ho-oh and Lugia be part of the plot as there are rumours about them throughout the game and they become a large part after all of the first 8 gyms are completed for a whileHarryj2198 (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

They are sort of optional bosses, aren't they? Or do you have to fight the first one to go further in the game? I can't remember. If they are optional, then they don't need to be mentioned in the plot. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 18:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to go into victory road until the first of them is beaten and prof. elm gives you permission to go in. The second of them is optional. I mentioned both of them as which one you have to fight first depends on what game you have; Heartgold or Soulsilver. Harryj2198 (talk) 18:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will try and incorporate it into the plot section. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 19:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Harryj2198 (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

UK Release

They were released in the UK in 2009. Why is there no mention of this? 84.92.140.217 (talk) 12:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Only in Japan were they released in 2009, the UK and EU got the games on the release date shown in the article. However if you can provide a source. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 13:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I have no sources, but several friends got it for christmas in the UK in '09. 84.92.140.217 (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, they got an import of the Japanese version, or just used a rom. The English versions weren't finished being developed for months later. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

One definitely has the EUR version and said he had it in christmas '09. 84.92.140.217 (talk) 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Image

Why is the gameplay image an edit? I can't imagine any benefit to cutting out content from an image, especially what was cut out. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:56, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't an edit. It was a screenshot provided on the official website. I agree that something showing the lower screen would be awesome, since it was something that was very unique, and probably will never be replicated again. I was shocked that they removed it for a silly WiFi feature that most people won't use but for 1% of the time. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Grea41, 23 May 2011

please change Shigeki Miyamoto to Shigeri Miyamoto for this is how his name is spelled

Grea41 (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. At least one reliable sources report the name as Shigeki (see the sources in the "Production" section). If you have a source that spells the name different, please provide it here (change the "yes" above to "no") and we can figure out how to resolve the discrepancy. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Added a missing Pokéwalker feature

There was a missing feature in the Pokéwalker section, the "watts" you collect can be transferred to the games and can open new routes for the Pokéwalker depending on how many watts you have collected, it's not just used to catch Pokémon or dowse for items. No reference is needed, Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Volume 1 : The Official Pokémon Johto Guide & Johto Pokédex & Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Volume 2: The Official Pokémon Kanto Guide & National Pokédex mention it. JamesAlan1986 (talk) 18:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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