Talk:Pite Sámi

Stem-final vowel in illative and comitative singular of o-stems

@Tropylium: I have two sources, Wilbur's A grammar of Pite Saami and Sjaggo's Pitesamisk grammatik, both available online. These two sources give different forms for the illative and comitative singular forms of o-stem nouns. In the first source, the final vowel is given just as o in these forms, with no umlaut of the stem. In the second source, the final vowel of these forms is u, and umlaut of the stem is triggered, like in neighbouring Lule Sami. Is one of them wrong, or is this a dialect difference? I don't think it would do to simply list both forms in this article, as it would lead readers to think they are simply two alternative forms, while we don't actually know what's going on. Rua (mew) 20:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Overlong consonants

The table of consonants doesn't show any overlong consonants, which are present in Lule and Northern Sami. Do they not occur in Pite Sami? Rua (mew) 00:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Recent article (July 2019) on Pite Saami and one of its speakers

Recent article (July 2019) on Pite Saami and one of its speakers. -Yupik (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Missing phonemes

The document that presents the official standard orthography describes two sounds that are not present in Wilbur's phonology, namely long e and u. Wilbur states that /e/ diphthongises to /ie/ in stressed syllables, but no mention is made of the long e phoneme in words like dedij "knew", which is most definitely distinct from the ie diphthong in biena "dog". The statement therefore seems false, and /eː/ needs to be distinguished from /ie/. Secondly, the document also distinguishes short from long u, which Wilbur also does not do. The words buhtjiv ("milked", short u) and buhtiv ("came", long u) are distinguished by the length of the vowel. These vowels have different etymological origins, coming from a Proto-Samic short vowel and diphthong respectively. Rua (mew) 13:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)