Talk:Paris Is Burning (film)

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Title

Shouldn't the title of the article be Paris Is Burning (film), with "Is" capitalized? Any reason not to move it there? The article uses both capitalizations, while the links seem to prefer the capital, which would be in keeping with the normal rules of English. -Phoenixrod 21:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You are correct.--House of Scandal 16:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

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Trivia

I recently found out that a certain sentence from an introductory speech has been used as the main voice sample for the untitled track (no.11) on Gonna Make You Sweat from C+C Music Factory: "We're not going to be ashamed, just fierce". Is this worth mentioning, and if so, where should it be put?--80.101.42.224 (talk) 18:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

• I would say that in relation to the film this is trivia but if there's an article on the album or particular track then adding and sourcing it there in a production section with a link back here would be appropriate. Otto4711 (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

They said "We're not going to be SHADY, just fierce". See the movie to learn more about "shade". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.250.88 (talk) 10:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Paris Is Burning (film)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Start-class from other projects. Mid-importance since it chronicles a historical era in the fashion underground. Daniel Case 03:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 03:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 02:17, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Suggested topic

I would like to discuss more the implications of having a white Jewish woman as the director and producer of the film, and what it means for the viewer. It is important to discuss the potential bias or distortions created by this disconnect in identity and experience. I would also like to discuss the familial kinship created within these communities and how it influences their processes of mourning.

Bibliography

Butler, Judith. "Gender is Burning: Questions of Appropriation and Subversion" In Bodies that Matter: On the Duscursive Limits of "Sex" by Butler. New York: Routledge, 1993. pp. 121-140.

Hooks, Bell. "Is Paris Burning?" in Black Looks: Race and Representation by Hooks. Boston: South End Press, 1992. pp. 145-156.

Davis, Kimberly Chabot. "White Filmmakers and Minority Subjects: Cinema Verite and the Politics of Irony in "Hoop Dreams" and "Paris Is Burning". South Atlantic Modern Language Association.

Parrine, Raquel. "Gender Construction, Kinship, and Mourning in Paris Is Burning." Revista Estudo Feministas. Insituto de Estudos de Genero. Sept-Dec, 2017, Vol. 25 Issue 3, p. 18. — Preceding Chloe Smith comment added by Chloe asmith (talk • contribs) 18:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Page Structure

I'd like to revise the Critical reception and controversy section on this page. I think it would be best if we focused on awards, financial revenue, and controversy surrounding the film under the section "controversy". The "Critical Reception" section can then be used to talk about potential critiques surrounding the film and its exploration of gender, sex, and sexuality.Chloe asmith (talk) 03:02, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the labelling of the sections is a bit confusing. The critique is under the section of "critical reception", which is normally used in film pages to portray a films reception by the audience and *film critics* upon release. I would suggest moving it to controversy or in a section called "feminist critique". While I do appreciate the inclusion of the feminist critique that the trans protagonist view of femininity is socially constructed, i think the critique is currently one-sided and demeaning towards the protagonists of the film. Just because the film does shed some light on how trans people in the ball scene idealised "white femininity [as] the proper gender expression to aspire to", the film never advocates for that position, but simply documents that aspect of the protagonists identities - which is of course a product of the times. It also would be nice to highlight the many influences the movie has had in pop culture. Iovio (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Documented origin of "yas queen"

In the podcast Reply All in episode 69 it is suggested that in this documentary the origin of the phrase yas queen is documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.220.105.126 (talk) 13:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Critical Reception

I added some new information to this section, please take a look at the wording and sources to verify that it is accurate. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Thank you. Chloe asmith (talk) 13:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Critical Reception section

I don’t know why bell hook’s article which seems to miss the entire point of the movie is so heavily featured in the critical reception section. She doesn’t really seem to know anything about drag, especially during this time period and if she thinks ball culture was made for white audiences and didn’t elevate woman, especially trans women, then again she misses the point. I get that having counterpoints is important but maybe have them from somebody who’s actually a part of this community, not somebody who “tried drag” before and who’s expertise seems to be in their own mind. 135.180.33.137 (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)