Talk:Omar Abu Omar

Page name

Procedure for page moving did not appear to be followed here. Please refile and use the procedure outlined at WP:RM#Instructions - thanks! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 08:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, got distracted halfway through. So:

• "Abu Qatada": 126,000 Google hits [1]
• "Omar Abu Omar": 873 [2]
• "Abu Qatadah": 872 [3]

Since Wikipedia naming policy for articles is to use the most common name, there's a clear case for moving. Rd232 20:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

This still hasn't been set up right. Also, I believe Abu Qatada is not Omar's real name. None of the references is clear about the man's name, so we cannot make an informed decision. I really don't like the Google-test, because it shouldn't be usd by itself. I believe that this page should not moved unless we see some detailed information about the name. We always have the option ofusing a more correct name over a more common name, the latter being a redirect (which makes the page no less difficult to find, only better named). --Gareth Hughes 21:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not just Google test - every reference I've ever seen to this man in the media (quite a few) calls him Abu Qatada. I've never even heard of his other names before coming to this page. And "real name" is irrelevant per naming conventions (see Talk:East Germany among others.) Rd232 21:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I've heard three media references to him in the last week in the media. All were Omar Abu Omar. Please don't rely on the ridiculous google test nonsense. A year ago a nutter vandalised an article here by making up a wacky spelling that didn't exist (it was part of a game with him). Within a month there were 489 references to him on google by that nutty name, because people copied what was on here and the makey-up name was not spotted here for a couple of weeks. Google tests prove wrong information on Gladstone, Disraeli, the Prince of Wales and a host of other people. Please give credible sources, not a search that may throw up right facts, wrong facts, made up facts, POV facts, propaganda, dodgy stuff and any old crap.FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 22:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but with that much a disparity in Google hits?? OK, fine, here's LexisNexis results (database of major media).

• Omar Abu Omar: 230 hits (183 in English language media).
• Omar Mahmoud Othman Omar: 16 hits
• Omar Uthman Abu Omar: 7 hits
• Abu Qutadah: 126 hits
• Abu Qutada: 224 hits
• Abu Qatadah: 221 hits
• Abu Qatada: 783 hits in the last 3 months alone (Lexis won't return more than 1000 hits, so requiring you to limit your search by time period). Another time period: 1 Jan - 31 Mar 2005: 374 hits. I could go on, but do I really have to? Rd232 23:35, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Whilst we're at it, limiting the search to Major World Newspapers gives 992 Abu Qatada and 45 Omar Abu Omar. Rd232 23:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Have you checked for regional disparities, broadsheet usage, official publications, formal documentation, cultural usage, linguistic usage, etc?

I thought Major World Newspapers covered most of that, and official/formal/academic usage, insofar as it differs from common usage, is ignored by the naming conventions (which AFAIK aim at what people are likely to search for, not for what is absolutely correct). Sheesh, I give up. Abu Qatada redirects there anyway. Rd232 22:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Request not fulfilled due to lack of consensus. Rob Church ^Talk 20:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up

I've tagged this page as needing work, at present it does not read like an encyclopedic biography. Catchpole 15:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Disambig

I took out the following because Abu Omar is a disambiguation page listing Nasr and al-Kurdi. Nearly everybody calls our guy Abu Qatada anyway.

Do not confuse with Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr (aka "Abu Omar"), who was kidnapped in Italy allegedly by the CIA, or with Sami Muhammad Ali Said al-Jaaf (aka "Abu Omar al-Kurdi")