Talk:Octavio Paz

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Number of victims

Recently Jorge Castañeda published an article in the Mexican newspaper Reforma, “Los 68 del 68” in which he states that the victims killed in Tlateloco were certainly under a hundred.

If this is so, and I’m no expert in the subject, the statement “government's killing of hundreds of students” should be modified. ―Cesar Tort 04:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The typical number reported is in the hundreds; often around 300. See Tlatelolco massacre. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 06:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

That article has been pov tagged. I have lived in Mexico City for decades and Elena Poniatowska’s book on the massacre has been in my family library for a long, long time (in fact, I once met her personally).

I’ll quote a couple of Jorge Castañeda’s sentences:

"De acuerdo con el informe histórico, en la Plaza de las Tres Culturas murieron ―cabalísticamente― 68 estudiantes y un soldado […]". Y todo uso de la fuerza pública se empezó automáticamente a asimilar al 68, pero al 68 magnificado: al de los 500, no al de los 68. Todo uso de la fuerza se volvió una masacre en potencia […]" (Reforma, 30 August 2006).

See also this pdf document in English. ―Cesar Tort 07:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Did Fox's official summary ever get published? Do you have a link to the full article in the Reforma? Have there been responses that claim that the traditional numbers are accurate? It seems that there's a fair amount of current interest in the topic, and if this is what people are finding, then we need to update the article. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 20:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

“Did Fox's official summary ever get published?”. The last newspaper note I read on the subject about three months ago said that Carrillo Puerto’s inform continues in Los Pinos (Mexico’s White House).

I searched in the Reforma web page and there seems to be no link to Castañeda’s article. If the editors of the Tlatelolco massacre become really interested, I will type it all.

IMO it'd be better to continue the discussion of the Tlatelolco toll in that article―Cesar Tort 20:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Since Paz died some years ago I wonder if a fairer photograph, where he looks younger (he seems to be in his late seventies in the present photo), might not be more appropriate in this article? --Cesar Tort 06:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that what we really need is a free image, such as one by the US government or one released by the author. Those can be tough to come by for people like this (semi-famous, non-government, and foreign). --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 06:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I will ask the Octavio Paz foundation here in Mexico City if they can send me one. (BTW, I added a brief comment on Paz in the Che Guevara article.) Cesar Tort 07:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission and Wikipedia:Example requests for permission before you do. They need to release the image with a free license, such as the cc-by-sa-2.0. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 12:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I’ve just talked over the phone with Paz’s widow about the photo. She is leaving Mexico City but she’ll be back in the second week of January. In another article I’ve already uploaded an image that Paul Kurtz’s secretary sent me. I guess I won’t have major problems? —Cesar Tort 16:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

That's awesome. However, as stated on WP:COPYREQ, we need confirmation from the copyright owner of any image that it is licensed freely (usually that means public domain or a creative commons license like the one I linked above). Usually this means getting the owner to send you an email explicitly stating that he releases the image with a free license (one that permits modification, redistribution, and use for any purpose, including commercial purposes). You would then forward that email to "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org". If the Wikimedia foundation doesn't have that on record, we can't use the image, for legal reasons. The same thing applies to the Paul Kurtz image. It's complicated and annoying, unfortunately, but that's the way it is. Let me know if you need anything or have questions. The example letters on Wikipedia:Example requests for permission might be helpful. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 17:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it enough if Paz’s widow’s secretary directly uploads the photo in Wikicommons? --Cesar Tort 18:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

If s/he's the copyright owner (either the creator of the image or had the image rights granted to her), she can release it with the license herself. That's the easiest way, for sure, but sometimes people are a little nervous about creating an account and doing all the work themselves. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 01:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Bibliography

Where is the Bibliography for Octavio Paz? It is evidently missing. Signed October 27, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.105.71 (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking back over the article history, it seems there never was a "works" section. Odd. Span (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Reading

I've removed the following further reading list from the article on the grounds that it's a) massive and b) does not appear standard for Wikipedia author biographies. If anyone objects, though, it's easy enough to revert. Khazar2 (talk) 08:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Further reading

English

• Octavio Paz and Pablo Neruda: Clash of Literary Titans/Americas Magazine (Organization of American States), July, 2008/Jaime Perales Contreras
• Mexican Writers on Writing featuring Octavio Paz. Edited by Margaret Sayers Peden (Trinity University Press, 2007).
• The writing in the stars : a jungian reading of the poetry of Octavio Paz / Rodney Williamson., 2007
• Octavio Paz / Nick Caistor., 2006
• The philosophy of yoga in Octavio Paz's poem Blanco / Richard J Callan., 2005
• "The Sadean Poetics of Solitude in Paz and Pizarnik." Latin American Literary Review / Rolando Pérez., 2005
• Shipwreck and deliverance : politics, culture and modernity in the works of Octavio Paz / Todd Lutes., 2003
• Poetry criticism (Gale Group): volume 48 / David Galens., 2003
• Octavio Paz (Modern Critical Views) / Harold Bloom, 2002
• From Art to Politics: Octavio Paz and the Pursuit of Freedom (trans. Del arte à la politica, FCE, 2004) / Grenier, Yvon, 2001
• Octavio Paz: A Meditation / Stavans,Ilan., 2001
• Tribute to Octavio Paz / Mexican Cultural Institute of New York., 2001
• Understanding Octavio Paz / Quiroga, Jose., 1999
• The critical poem: Borges, Paz, and other language-centered poets in Latin America / Running, Thorpe., 1996
• Octavio Paz and the language of poetry: a psycholinguistic approach / Underwood, Leticia Iliana., 1992
• Orientalism in the Hispanic literary tradition: in dialogue with Borges, Paz, and Sarduy / Kushigian, Julia., 1991
• Octavio Paz, the mythic dimension / Chiles, Frances., 1987
• Toward Octavio Paz: a reading of his major poems, 1957–1976 / Fein, John M., 1986
• Octavio Paz (Twayne's World Authors Series) / Wilson, Jason., 1986
• Two essays on Latin American political myths : Octavio Paz and Che Guevara / James Wallace Wilkie., 1981
• Octavio Paz, homage to the poet / Chantikian, Kosrof., 1980
• Octavio Paz, a study of his poetics / Wilson, Jason., 1979
• Aspects of surrealism in the work of Octavio Paz / José Gabriel Sánchez., 1976
• Octavio Paz: critic of modern Mexican poetry / Phillips, Allen Whitmarsh., 1973
• The universalism of Octavio Paz / Gullón, Ricardo., 1973
• Octavio Paz : or the revolution in search of an actor / George Gordon Wing., 1973
• The perpetual present; the poetry and prose of Octavio Paz / Ivar Ivask., 1973
• The poetic modes of Octavio Paz / Rachel Phillips., 1972
• Mexico as theme, image, and contribution to myth in the poetry of Octavio Paz / Judith Ann Bernard., 1964
• Octavio Paz poetry, politics, and the myth of the Mexican / George Gordon Wing., 1961

Spanish

• Luz espejeante. Octavio Paz ante la crítica. Selección de Enrico Mario Santí. 2009
• Andar fronteras. El servicio diplomático de Octavio Paz en Francia (1946–1951) / Froylan Enciso., 2008
• Boletin Octavio Paz / Luis Rios. 2008–
• Consuelo Hernández."Octavio Paz. La poesía como supremo ejercicio de la libertad. Voces y perspectivas en la poesía latinoamericana del siglo XX. Madrid: Visor, 2009.
• Consuelo Hernández."Signos en rotación, una teoría poética." El Nacional. Caracas, Venezuela. October 2, l982. C.2.
• Consuelo Hernández.El arte combinatoria en los poemas de Octavio Paz." El Nacional. Caracas, Venezuela. September 25. C.2.
• El filo del ideal: Octavio Paz en la Guerra Civil / Guillermo Sheridan., 2008
• Octavio Paz y Pablo Neruda: Historia de una amistad/Revista Americas.Organizacion de los Estados Americanos., julio 2008/Jaime Perales Contreras.
• Octavio Paz y el circulo de la revista Vuelta/Jaime Perales Contreras., 2007
• Introduction to Octavio Paz, Suenos en libertad, escritos políticos / edited by Yvon Grenier., 2001
• Poeta con paisaje: ensayos sobre la vida de Octavio Paz / Guillermo Sheridan., 2004
• Octavio Paz : la dimensión estética del ensayo / Héctor Jaimes., 2004
• Espiral de luz : tiempo y amor en Piedra de sol de Octavio Paz / Dante Salgado., 2003
• Octavio Paz y la poética de la historia mexicana / D A Brading., 2002
• Camino de ecos : introducción a las ideas políticas de Octavio Paz / Dante Salgado., 2002
• Octavio Paz: una visión de la poesía de occidente : hermenéutica y horizonte simbólico / Marta Santibáñez., 2002
• Las primeras voces del poeta Octavio Paz, 1931–1938 / Anthony Stanton., 2001
• El árbol milenario : un recorrido por la obra de Octavio Paz / Manuel Ulacia., 1999
• Author, autoridad y autorización : escritura y poética de Octavio Paz / Rubén Medina., 1999
• Tránsito poético e intellectual de Octavio Paz / Abelardo M García Viera., 1999
• Dos grandes latinoamericanos / Karla I Herrera., 1999
• Bibliografia critica de Octavio Paz / Hugo J. Verani, 1997
• El acto de las palabras : estudios y diálogos con Octavio Paz / Enrico Mario Santí., 1997
• Volver al ser : un acercamiento a la poética de Octavio Paz / Mario Pinho., 1997
• Octavio Paz : viajero del presente / Roberto Hozven., 1994
• Octavio Paz en sus "Obras completas" / Adolfo Castañón., 1994
• Festejo : 80 años de Octavio Paz / Adolfo Castañón., 1994
• Octavio Paz : poética e identidad / Fidel Sepúlveda Llanos., 1993
• Octavio Paz : el espejo roto / Roland Forgues., 1992
• Lo desconocido es entrañable : arte y vida en Octavio Paz / Rafael Jiménez Cataño., 2008
• Octavio Paz : trayectorias y visiones / Maya Schärer-Nussberger., 1989
• El elemento oriental en la poesía de Octavio Paz / Jung Kim Kwon Tae., 1989
• El cuerpo y la letra : la cosmologia poetica de Octavio Paz / Javier Gonzalez., 1988
• Polaridad-unidad, caminos hacia Octavio Paz / Margarita Murillo González., 1987
• La cabeza rota : la poética de Octavio Paz / Jorge Arturo Ojeda., 1983
• Octavio Paz / Pere Gimferrer., 1982
• Surrealismo en la poesía de Xavier Villaurrutia, Octavio Paz, y Luis Cernuda. (México 1926–1963) / Olivia Maciel Edelman., 2008
• Lecturas de Octavio Paz / Pere Gimferrer., 1980
• Variables poéticas de Octavio Paz / Diego Martínez Torrón., 1979
• Octavio Paz / Alfredo A Roggiano., 1979
• Reinvención de la palabra : la obra poética de Octavio Paz / Eusebio Rojas Guzmán., 1979
• La poesía hermética de Octavio Paz / Carlos Horacio Magis., 1978
• Poesía y conocimiento : Borges, Lezama Lima, Octavio Paz / Ramón Xirau., 1978
• La divina pareja: historia y mito: valoración e interpretación de la obra ensayística de Octavio Paz / Jorge Mora., 1978
• Octavio Paz, poesía y poética / Monique J Lemaître., 1976
• Las estaciones poéticas de Octavio Paz / Rachel Phillips., 1976
• Homenaje a Octavio Paz / Juan Valencia., 1976
• Octavio Paz / Jorge Rodríguez Padrón., 1975
• Aproximaciones a Octavio Paz: un simposio / Angel Flores., 1974
• "Octavio Paz: El Laberinto de la Soledad y el sicoanálisis de la historia," Cuadernos Americanos (27:1), pp. 97-114 / Thomas Mermall