Talk:Norilsk Nickel

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Corporate box needs # of employees, company motto, ticker symbols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.202.85 (talk) 22:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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Norway is not near to Norilsk! It's at least 3000 km away from Norway. Check out Norilsk web page: http://www.nornik.ru/en/about/ 194.240.150.6 06:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Climate change reference removed

The reference to climate change amid the record Heat in Siberia this spring was removed from the oil spill section. B137 (talk) 01:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Russian mining giant admits pumping wastewater into Arctic tundra

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/29/russian-mining-giant-admits-pumping-wastewater-into-arctic-tundra
• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/russian-metal-giant-admits-pollution-arctic-tundra-200628181846954.html

John Cummings (talk) 08:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 01:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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Nornickel → Norilsk Nickel – Actual company name. The abbreviated form is not even mentioned in the lead nor explained in the article, just used occasionally as if already understood. It appears to simply be the domain name of the company's website.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 14:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Nornickel is used in their logo, and is used by Reuters [1][2], Bloomberg [3][4], and in the company's press releases [5] – Thjarkur (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

  Doesn't pass the WP:GOOGLE sniff test:

  • Lots of companies have short-hand trademarks for longer names that are also their trademarks (not counting a zillion acronyms/initialisms, the most obvious examples are probably Chevy for Chevrolet, Coke for Coca-Cola, and Mac for Apple Macintosh). Reuters used the short name parenthetically: "Russian mining giant Norilsk Nickel (Nornickel) is disputing more than $2 billion in damages after ...". And they usually don't; the majority of hits for "Norilsk Nickel" at Reuters are not followed by "Nornickel" [6], and there are 930 such search hits versus only 270 for the short name [7], which is a big difference even if you trim the 930 a little due to a few false positives that happen to mention nickel and the place-name Norilsk but not the company. Actually, that's easy to fix with quotation marks; there are 913 results for "Norisk Nickel" [8].
  • Bloomberg also used the short name only secondarily: "Chief Executive Officer Vladimir Potanin said MMC Norilsk Nickel PJSC plans to stabilize water inflows at one of its biggest mines in the Russian Arctic by March 9. ... Nornickel partially suspended output at ...". Their search provides 278 article hits for "Norilsk Nickel" since 2009 [9] (tedious to count; you have to keep clicking "Load more results" until there are no more, them manually count them), yet only 48 results for "Nornickel" [10], an even bigger difference. When Bloomberg uses a short form, they overwhelmingly prefer simply "Norilsk", both in headlines and in running text.
  • The quoted press release makes it clear both in the heading and in the "About" paragraph that their main trademark is "Norilsk Nickel", their formal corporate name (in Latin alphabet) is "MMC Norilsk Nickel", and that "Nornickel" is a shortened form. But we wouldn't really care what the company prefers for marketing purposes, per WP:OFFICIALNAME, and a more important result from PR Newswire is that other press releases, including by partner companies like SpendEdge, ResearchAndMarkets.com, and PhosAgro, are using "Norilsk Nickel" [11]. Search results there are about evenly divided, and various releases published there mention one name but not the other [12], while only two of the results overlap. I.e., the company and others that it works with do not consistently provide "Nornickel" when they use "Norilsk Nickel", and do not consistently prefer the former over the latter.
  • A Google News search for "Norilsk Nickel" (in quotes) produces ~57,300 results [13], but only ~38,000 for "Nornickel" [14] (most of which also contain the long form of the name, as far as I can tell from spot-checking random ones).
  • Google Scholar results are 5,340 [15] versus 1,110 [16] in favor of the longer name.
  • Goole Ngrams results show the longer name overwhelmingly dominating in books [17].

  So, I think this conclusively proves a WP:COMMONNAME case. While I'm a big fan of WP:CONCISE, we do not apply it against obvious COMMONNAME results just to force a shorter but less WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:PRECISE page title. CONCISE is toward the bottom of the WP:CRITERIA, which are given in priority order.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Given the preponderance of evidence. Primergrey (talk) 06:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support. I'm convinced by the sufficient sourcing provided by SMcCandlish. Gnominite (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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strange sentence

"Mining and metal production continued first with Gulag forced labour, later with much volunteer labour owing to the comparatively good wages offered.[citation needed]"

that's a really strange sentence. For one thing how could the labor be 'volunteer" in a nickel mine of all places. They're not making cupcakes for a school fund raiser. For another the sentence states it's volunteer labor and then follows that up with "good wages offered". So which is it?? Is it "volunteer" (which in Russia always means forced) or it is paid?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.93.186 (talk) 03:36, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Probably intended to be 'voluntary' as in 'of their own free will'. But I've removed the sentence. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Picture of the plant

The picture of the plant is described here as beeing located in norilsk, however the same exact plant can be found on the page of the other but not unrelated russian town of Nikel, and on that page it says the plant is located there, in Nikel. 81.25.81.42 (talk) 22:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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