Talk:Normandy Inn

Edit Request - Notability tag

• Request for removal of Notability tag, copy Melcous (talk · contribs).
• Per WP:NBUILDING: may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability.
• The Normandy Inn meets the California Register of Historical Resources criteria in the area architecture, serving as the best example of the French Revival style of architecture in Carmel. It stands as the most well-preserved example of Robert Stanton's early architectural design work in the area.
• Below are five secondary sources that show in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources:
  • Dramov, Alissandra (2019). Historic Buildings of Downtown Carmel-by-the-Sea. Carmel-by-the-Sea, California: Arcadia Publishing. pp. 52–53. ISBN 9781467103039
  • Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. pp. 96–97. ISBN 9780913548738.
  • Neal Hotelling (September 16, 2022). "A Thoroughly Modern Sundial" (PDF). Carmel Pine Cone. Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. pp. 27–29. Retrieved September 20, 2022
  • Seavey, Kent (2007). Carmel A History in Architecture. Carmel-by-the-Sea, California: Arcadia Publishing. pp. 84–85. ISBN 9780738547053. Retrieved August 19, 2023
  • Dramov, Alissandra (2022). Past & Present Carmel-By-The-Sea. Charleston, South Carolina: Arcadia Publishing. p. 36. ISBN 9781467108980. Retrieved January 13, 2024.

Greg Henderson (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, why are you so greatly concerned with the tag? Graywalls (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I do not think tags should be placed on pages when it is not necessary. It just passed a peer review. The building is notable as a result of its historic and architectural importance, and I have already cited significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources. The citations are not mere trivial. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

(a) Who says the building meets the California Register of Historical Resources criteria? The article currently says it (or more correctly it as part of a much larger group of properties) was nominated and submitted to be on this register twenty two years ago. (I asked a question about this on Greghenderson2006's talk page but have not received a response - how does a 22 year old submission that is apparently still pending count for notability?) (b) Regardless, WP:GEOFEAT is clear that a presumption of notability applies to buildngs on national registers, which this is not. So (c) the only question then is whether it meets WP:SIGCOV (per WP:NBUILDING). All I'm seeing are brief mentions in local sources and thus I am not convinced it meets WP:SIGCOV, and therefore I think the tag is appropriate. Melcous (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not talking about WP:GEOFEAT because the Inn is not on the national registry. However it meets WP:NBUILDING based on the above 5 secondary sources. How much is WP:SIGCOV? These citations along with the Department of Parks and Recreation DPR 523 Form, which has detailed information, should be more than enough to prove Notability. These are general guidelines and should be followed with flexibility and consideration for eight citations provided and links to other related articles. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I think we ought to consult with Wikiprojects NHRP and/or buildings on this matter. I'll make a post when I have a chance. Graywalls (talk) 07:53, 31 January 2024 (UTC)