Talk:New jack swing

Fails to define the rhythm pattern

Article is vague and ambiguous. Needs percussion music notation, drum tab, or programming example. Time? Subdivision? Pattern? Dare anybody to play or program New Jack Swing from this article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.36.194.72 (talk) 02:23, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup required

Artists have been added under "List of new jack swing artists", but some of them don't point to the correct artist (example: the link to Finest Hour is an article about an arcade game). Please provide the correct links for these artists. Thanks. | QzDaddy 17:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have a Wikipedia page called Articles for deletion/New Jack Reunion Tour user:Krystal Cooper

self-referential

This sentence "Swing refers to the rhythmic pattern, which always consists of straight 8ths, 16th note shuffles and 16th note swing patterns." seems circular. If "swing" refers to a rhythmic pattern, one of the elements of that pattern should not be "swing patterns". And how is "shuffle" defined here? or is that a synonym for "swing"? I'm not a musician per se, but my understanding is that "swing patterns" can occur in any note increments, and that "swing" simply notes that the repetition occurs at different time intervals rather than at the same intervals. Is this correct? --csloat 10:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh... this helps explain it.--csloat 10:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis were two years before Teddy Riley, doing the New Jack Swing, with Janet Jackson's Control album (the single Nasty was released in late 1985).

Nasty was released in 1986 a few months before the album. Around the same time, Teddy Riley was part of the group Guy, which was the first of many New Jack Swing groups. Essentially, Riley and Jam/Lewis created similar sounds, but Jam/Lewis were influenced more by their former band(Morris Day and The Time), and Riley was more influenced by hip-hop. The sounds are fairly similar, though. ThePacMan 16:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Plus Teddy used a swing rhythm, and J&L didn't; so "Control" is technically not New Jack Swing Nathan86

Gene Griffin was Teddy Riley`s partner in the early days of New Jack Swing production. He should at the very least get a mention.

Artist List

I'm removing Aaliyah and Kylie Minogue from this list. Aaliyah's sound has NEVER been classifiable as New Jack Swing. Her album was actually part of R&B's movement away from New Jack Swing. As for Kylie Minogue...she pretty much does only euro/electronic dance-pop. Nothing New Jack about her. I'm also removing Joey Lawrence as that is simply laughable. Whoever added him to the list does not know the definition of "New Jack Swing". ThePacMan 15:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

completely agree....I just removed them myself because some fool went and put them back.

I also have a problem with some of the other artists listed here:

Brandy, Monica, Usher, Xscape - IMO Hip Hop Soul, not NJS (I've removed them)

Soul II Soul, Lisa Stansfield - Not NJS IMO

Oh, and I see someone's added Mariah Carey--- having ONE NJS-styled song ("Someday") does not make you a New Jack Swing artist IMO....... Nathan86

I'm adding Paula Abdul, very similar in style to Janet Jackson

Agree with everything you've said about Kylie (from a die-hard Kylie fan) and the references to its relevance to Australia, a different version was released over here, so we didn't know she'd done an (apparent) NJS version of 'Word Is Out' until a 'best of' was released over here.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.84.25 (talk) 11:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The 2 songs listed from Janet Jackson "Miss You Much" and Love will never do without you" are not New Jack Swing Beats! Both of those beats are nearly the same with the Kick drum hitting once followed by snare once followed by kick drum twice before the next snare repeating. This same kick drum and snare drum pattern is the same on Janet Jacksons "The pleasure Principle" song from earlier in the 80's and may I remind everyone, Rhythm Nation was composed and recorded in the late 80's.

Now, for a true new jack swing beat, listen to the song "Aright" where in between the kick and snare, the measure in between both is emphasized with instrumentation elements such as prominent hi-hats and other noise elements. These beats don’t land directly on the 1, 4, and 8th measure as they are more of a “swing” with in the 4/4 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.88.222.106 (talk) 21:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Blatantly wrong and misleading

There are elements about this article that are just flat out wrong. It 'implies' that Technotronic and Vanilla Ice were somehow involved with NJS (OMG SO WRONG!) and then blatantly states "Most notably: Raphael Saadiq, R. Kelly, TLC, Dallas Austin, Boyz II Men, Sean "Diddy" Combs, Will Smith, LL Cool J, and many others."

Will Smith represents the golden age of hip hop and LL Cool J? Come on! LL did not become known for NJS. He was an early pioneer! Underground? Yes. Socially conscious rap? Yes. Hardcore rap? Yes. Battle Rap? Yes. 20 years is a long time and a lot of styles... But New Jack? Give me a break. Someone really needs to clean up this article. It's like someone just put a lot of names in here to give it multiple points of index reference. Santavez 15:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Soul II Soul "Keep On Movin'" / Suzanne Vega "Tom's Diner"??

No mention of the greatest New Jack beat of all time. 76.20.135.33 01:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)chewbaccawasawoman

In The Closet

In no michael jackson`s song remember the time is more successful than "In the Closet" but shoudn`t "In The Closet be included as a significant song? It is usually credited as being the best song off the Dangerous album. Realist2 22:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Paragraphs are more appropriate in an encyclopedia than bulleted lists

Hi, I am the editor who changed the list to a paragraph. Encycledias do not usually have bulleted lists of songs or albums, except perhaps if there was a short list of the "most influential" albums according to an influential music reviewer or music historian. Encyclopedias use written paragraphs of text. There are other problems with the bullet list, too. It makes it too easy for people to add their favorite band or song, even if the song only hit number 391 on the US charts, or didn't even chart. Having text also has advantages. It encourages other editors to "flesh out" the content with other facts. Bulleted lists are not interesting to read. Thanks for your comment.Nazamo (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, another problem with the bulleted list, is that the list is just made up from posts by editors. That is fine for an Internet chat page called "New Jack Swing fans favorite songs", but WIkipedia is an encyclopedia. Since to my knowledge, there isn't an official list of the most important NJS songs (in Brittanica or the Rolling Stone encyclopedia), wikipedia editors like us have to make the list of songs. You can't invent new theories or ideas on WIkipedia (it's called Original Research). So we have to try and justify the inclusion of each song, using at least 2 criteria: 1) showing that the song is a NJS song 2) showing that the song is notable. For number 1), I am trying to show links to important NJS people such as Riley. For number 2), I am using top 10 status.Nazamo (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Nazamo (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, here is an example from the new paragraph form which shows the benefits of using prose, rather than bullets. If this information was in bullets, we would just have 3 bullets informing us that Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, and Ralph Tresvant had hits in 1990, and giving us the song name and the chart ranking....BUT, you wouldn't know an important piece of information...that all these 3 are splinter groups from the band New Edition, a band which helped to establish the NJS sound.

Here is the excerpt from the article: After the band New Edition broke up, its former members formed several splinter groups or acts, including Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, Ralph Tresvant, and Bobby Brown. In 1990, several ex-New Edition members had hit songs. Bell Biv Devoe's song "Poison" and Johnny Gill's single "Rub You the Right Way" both made it to number 3 in the US top 100. Ralph Tresvant had a number 4 hit (US top 100 charts) and number 1 hit (US R&B) with his song "Sensitivity".Nazamo (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization standardization

This article uses both "New Jack Swing" and "new jack swing". In accordance with Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Musical_genres, it should be all lowercase. So I've gone ahead and changed all the instances of "New Jack Swing" to "new jack swing", except in proper nouns. -kotra (talk) 19:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

List relocated to its own article

Hello all, Thanks to the person who created the list of artists. One issue, though, is that it has no sources. This can create quality control issues, because other editors add bands they like, which may not be NJS. As well, jokers and vandals add in random names. So I have relocated the list to its own List article, under List of New Jack Swing artists.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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Typical Instruments Back up for quick glance

So I am guessing 2017 is going to be the year no more typical instrument on infobox will be given wow? Please someone add the instruments its beginning to be ironic as if someone is removing them because they know me, I use that section for my research and to know what instruments to use to make a composition like New Jack Swing or others with a quick glance. I requested synthpop instruments back up and someone did that since I am not a member and know my correctings will be controvesal I just am a request style for those who agree with this mystery person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.89.236 (talk) 11:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:V, the typical instruments list should be verifiable. That is, some published source should be found to support the list entries. Binksternet (talk) 16:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Requested New Jack swing Typical Instruments info box section

From listening to just "New Jack Swing songs," based on the song list given, the musical elements seem to be these in New Jack Swing: Drums, Bass guitar, Synthesizers, Saxophone, trumpet, Brass hit, synth bass, Organ, Keyboard, strings, piano, Drum machine, electric Yamaha DX keyboard, synth pads, singing, rapping, background vocals',Italic text' Also it is how these instruments are played that make it New Jack Swing. I cannot find any sited sources, but listening one can detect some of the instruments being used, even on the live videos you can somewhat see what instruments are used to make the sound.

I enjoy New Jack swing much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.89.236 (talk) 20:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

If there are no sources then the information fails WP:V. We should say nothing about instruments until we can cite a source for typical instruments. Binksternet (talk) 23:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Odd Analogies in Opening

I find this opening sentence to be very un-encyclopedic:

One can describe it as a modern-day upheaval of swing music, sophisticated bubblegum pop, a hip hop vibe in a church scenery or a minimal precursor or second-cousin to 90s dance and house music, the latter partly based on fashion

I don't know what style guidelines it might violate, but it reads weird at best.

Quit adding the United kingdom

The UK has absolutely nothing to do with the origin's of New Jack Swing. which is 100% American created. stop adding it to the cultural origin tab. it's fine and dandy if they were listening to it. but they didn't create it. big difference. 2601:195:C581:26E0:311F:3E8:D41F:441A (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

"New Jack Swing" should only apply to new jacks

Aretha Franklin dabbling in the latest sounds does not make her a newcomer. Same goes for Run DMC and anyone else on this list who qualifies as old school rap music Guindufan (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia follows usage in the media. If the media say an artist is making new jack swing music, then that's what we relay to the reader. Binksternet (talk) 21:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Good point. However, I think there is a valid distinction to be made between 1) artists who make a name for themselves in one genre but who also might devote an album or two to some other genre (e.g., Ray Charles is a soul singer who also released a country record) and 2) artists who can be called [name of genre] artists. For example, to say, "famed New Jack Swing group Run DMC..." is a very misleading thing to say, despite the fact that they may have released some tracks that fit that description. Whether or not this distinction is one made by Wikipedia is not up to me, of course. Guindufan (talk) 21:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)