Talk:New Zealand Young Nationals
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Jonathan Hunt was indeed in the Young Nationals. Why he left and went to Young Labour I'm not sure, but I'm told that he liked their parties more :)
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The result of the move request was: withdrawn Schwede66 06:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
New Zealand Young Nationals → Young Nats – Better known by this short version, and it's even shown like that on their logo. Not sure why the page uses this much longer title. Rather than just moving it, I thought I'd put this up for discussion. Schwede66 05:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Suggest instead NZ Young Nats per their Facebook page. "Young Nats" is used across the globe for various different groups. [1] [2] [3] [4] etc -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 06:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Suggest "Young Nats" point to the disambiguation page Young Nationals -- 70.24.250.192 (talk) 21:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose leave as is. This is an encyclopedia not Facebook In ictu oculi (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
New Zealand Young Nationals → Young Nats (New Zealand) – Ok, let's try this again and this time with some more substance. Let's consider what the formal name is, how common the abbreviation is, whether NZ or New Zealand is part of the name, and if not, whether disambiguation is needed. And we may want to consider Facebook.
The formal name first. When I look on their website, I cannot figure out whether they are in fact the Young Nationals or the Young Nats. They appear to have referred to themselves as Young Nationals in the past, see for example this page on Te Ara. What I do see is that their logo shows Young Nats, and that's how they most commonly refer to themselves. Leaving history aside and looking at current usage, this is more pointing towards Young Nats than Young Nationals.
Let's have a look at Google next. Given that there are overseas organisations that also call themselves Young Nats or Young Nationals, I have restricted all searches to 'site:nz'. I get the results as shown in the table below. We need to compare two searches at a time. The first two lines tell me that Young Nats is more common than Young Nationals. That is even more so the case when we include "New Zealand" within the search term. If we reduce the additional search term to "NZ", the number of hits becomes quite tiny. So this suggests that Young Nats is the common name.
I cannot see that NZ or New Zealand is part of the official name.
This then leaves us with the question whether we have to consider disambiguation. If we accept that the Young Nationals (Australia) are sometimes referred to as Young Nats, then disambiguation is in order; I note, however, that the redirect Young Nats (Australia) does not exist. IP User 65.94.77.36 has provided quite a few external links above that refer to Young Nats of various type. It's not crystal clear, but an argument could be made for disambiguation. If that's indeed needed, we need to follow the naming conventions for political parties, and the accepted way to do it is by adding the country in parentheses.
So what about their Facebook page, where they call themselves NZ Young Nats? I'm guessing that they couldn't call themselves Young Nats on Facebook because a young woman has beaten them to it, so they had to are wanted to disambiguate themselves. Either way, they are not commonly calling themselves NZ Young Nats on their website (they do use the term for the website name, though, but there are only 17 Google hits in total on their site), and how they call themselves on Facebook is irrelevant for the naming of an article on Wikipedia.
So, how about it? Comments please. I'd be grateful if somebody could dig out the formal name; I'm sure that somewhere there is a formal register where organisations are recorded. Schwede66 08:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
| search term for site:nz | views |
|---|---|
| "Young Nats" | 9,140 |
| "Young Nationals" | 3,890 |
| "New Zealand Young Nats" | 5,860 |
| "New Zealand Young Nationals" | 969 |
| "NZ Young Nats" | 952 |
| "NZ Young Nationals" | 10 |
- Oppose "Young Nationals" is what is used in serious print sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose parenthetical form per WP:NATURALDIS. As for between New Zealand Young Nats and New Zealand Young Nationals, I lean towards the shorter form as that does seem to be more common. Dralwik|Have a Chat 13:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. In a reference work such as this, titles should be formal, abbreviations should be avoided. "Nats" is not a word. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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This is a specific policy that was announced by the Young Nats as to be supported. It is not promotional it is the name of their policy position.
AndrewAlanMahoney (talk) 03:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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I have removed the names of two MPs from the Sexual Harrassment section. So they went to a Christmas drinks do. There is nothing to say they were ever at an apartment later where a girl was harrassed. The glaring inference might even be actionable. Moriori (talk) 21:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)