Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Archives/2012

Route 1

There is no need to barely and baldly state "Route 1" in the article as it is now, and as it stands, I am not allowed to correct it. The road / street / highway is U.S. Highway 1 or U.S. Route 1, typed as a Wikipedia hyperlink. There are plenty of other "Route 1"s in various states and counties - and in other countries besides the United States. To a reader who does not live in New Rochelle and is not familiar with it U.S. Highway 1 makes it very clear, and distinguishes it from any hypothetical Westchester County Route 1, or whatever else the reader might think of. This is precision that is easy!98.67.163.150 (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Mayor Dillon

I am changing a references to Mayor Dillon being a scion of a Hugueont family. He is not. His father, John R. Dillon, emigrated from Ireland to New Rochelle. The family is Catholic.

I would be quite interested to discuss this with anyone who might have any information that shows otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjdillon (talk • contribs) 21:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

This section is largely repeating New Rochelle (Zip-Code Areas), New York. A repetition isn't good for maintainability. Since this article is already very long I suggest the link to the Zip Code areas, that was removed, is re-inserted and the text trimmed. Rich257 (talk) 08:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)-->

proper name for college

the Proper name for college of new rochelle is THE college of new rochelle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.127.199 (talk) 11:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

high school fire

The student that set the fire to the high school had nothing to do with the war —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.0.131 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a source for that information? Wikipedia needs reliable sources. --Orlady (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what the New York Times article states, but (we) the students did not attend the Jr high schools under time sharing during the rebuilding. The football field behind the high school was paved over and modular buildings were installed as temporary classrooms. Junior and Seniors attended classes in the morning, and Sophmores attended classes in the afternoon.

A football field and track was constructed in the "City Park" section of New Rochelle for the high schools home football game and track meets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farquarh (talk • contribs) 14:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Paean to a commercial development?

The following paragraph (or variants thereof) has been repeatedly added to this article:

The large-scale development is achieving the sufficient critical mass needed to bring new life and energy into the downtown district. Developers have invested hundreds of millions of dollars with plans for nearly $2 billion in new development in the next few years. One of the most the significant upcoming projects is the renewal of Echo Bay which will restore 25 acres of the city’s waterfront, creating new parkland for downtown residents.

I continue to contend that language like "achieving the sufficient critical mass needed to bring new life and energy into the downtown district" is pure PR blather that has no place in an encyclopedia. Although sources have been provided regarding the Echo Bay project (the last sentence), the sources indicate that the project has not yet been fully approved (which is not the impression created by the above-quoted sentence). Also, the articles I've read say that the redevelopment would consist primarily of luxury apartments, retail, town homes, and condominiums; parkland appears to be only a minor part of it. All in all, this looks like a P.R. piece from a land developer hyping one project, so I'm deleting it once again. --Orlady (talk) 18:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I suppose you are technically correct. But do you have to refer to my attempted contributions as "blather"? --JConoco (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not an advertising copywriter. If I were, I'm sure I'd know dozens of euphemistic descriptors for verbiage like "achieving the sufficient critical mass needed to bring new life and energy into the downtown district", but I'm afraid I have to use the words I know. --Orlady (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)-->

James, I definitely prefer to call a "spade" a "spade" when I see one, and blather as blather whenever I read it, and usually say and write "bullshit" rather than "male bovine excrement". James Conoco needs to learn to deal with the real world, rather than the ones that the writers of PR blather and advertisers wish to create.98.67.163.150 (talk) 15:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You're responding to an account that was blocked over a year ago. Wknight94 ^talk 15:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hudson Valley project?

As far as I know, New Rochelle is not part of the Hudson Valley. The wiki article for the Hudson Valley does not include New Rochelle in its list of cities. That said, why is this article part of WikiProject Hudson Valley? Asriel (talk) 01:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It would probably be more effective to ask that question on the Hudson Valley wikiproject page, as this is one of many articles that were added to the project on the same day back in March 2008. --Orlady (talk) 01:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

New Rochelle does NOT even border the Hudson River. I know because I used to go to private school in New Rochelle for 3 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.215.103 (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle borders on the Long Island Sound, and water draining from New Rochelle naturally drains into the Sound rather than into the Hudson River. It is that simple and that scientific. Claiming that New Rochelle is in the Hudson Valley is just like claiming that Baltimore is in the Mississippi Valley. Baltimore is on the Chesapeake Bay and drains into that body of water.98.67.163.150 (talk) 15:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Images

I just made several edits to the images. I sense a war brewing between competing image contributors. Since I haven't contributed any of these images, my judgments are based only on image quality and how well I think the image illustrates its topic. What I did:

• I removed the tiny size spec on the image of the police officer on a Segway and replaced it with the "upright" spec. See WP:MOS regarding size specs on thumbnails.
• I restored the previous image of the historical society that includes more of the building's grounds. Nothing in the article or the image suggests the need for a closer-in view that omits the building's setting.
• I replaced the image of the Huguenot Children's Library with one that shows a topic that is actually discussed in the article (the fire department). If there were information in the article about the library, then the image of the library would seem more relevant.
  

Additionally, I intend to put "upright" specs on some other vertically formatted images so they will not be so much larger than the horizontally formatted images. --Orlady (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

But Some images added to articles are of a low quality level. Contributions of improved images help to fix the issue easily. I added:

• An image more clearly and directly focused on an officer on a segway.--Geezalou (talk) 18:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Your Segway image is fuzzy (slightly out of focus?) and not clearly identifiable as a New Rochelle. I restored User:Jim.henderson's image supplied earlier, which also has the benefit of clearly showing New Rochelle in the background. --Orlady (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Differences of opinion regarding images and format are commonplace in Wikipedia and do not signify a "war" between editors. It hardly seems necessary to refer to such differences as a "competition". Likewise, it is one thing to edit article in the hopes of improvement (as shown by recent contributors), and it is another to edit an article maliciously. An open dialogue would be a more productive approach to handling future stylistic differences --Paso 19:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pasoradobles99 (talk • contribs)

I am pleased if some of my pictures helped. On my way through Westchester to Connecticut one afternoon in late August I snapped many pictures, mostly without dismounting from my bicycle, and all without knowing which places would turn out notable. Haste is my excuse for the often poor quality, particularly of the fire station which only got into the article because my affection for firehouses sometimes overrides my judgement of what's a good pic. As it turns out, NR was already fairly lavishly photographed by others, and I should have given more time to places farther north that are less well covered in Commons. And yes, I think the cellphone police picture is a poor choice for this article, not because its resolution is poor but because it is composed as a better Segway police pic than Boston Post Road pic. Alas, I don't expect to pedal through southeastern Westchester again this year. Got many other places to photograph, including western Hudson County, New Jersey, for which pix seem to be rare. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed apparently spurious fact and its alleged source

I removed a statement that CBS chose New Rochelle as the setting for the sci-fi series Now and Again (in "search of an upscale, posh community") and its alleged source which was supposedly a 2001 book Division and diversity: Community transition in postwar America, 1945--1970. New Rochelle, New York, a case study by Gail Kaplan Guttman. This material was added to the article by pasoradobles, a sockpuppet of the banned user Jvolkblum, and I believe that both the source and the fact were made up. From Google searching, I determined that Ms. Guttman is a 4th grade teacher in New Rochelle and she holds a Ph.D., but I find no evidence that she or anyone else published a book by that name in 2001. Google does produce a reference to the book, but all of the information in that reference could be derived from the former Wikipedia entry.

There might be truth to the story that N.R. was the setting for this TV show, but it should not be based on this apparently bogus source. --Orlady (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The source for the refence and the reference itself are OK. From a google search on the author and title you can find verification for the source here. I restored the reference to the main article. Thanks--98.14.133.106 (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That dissertation record does not come up in Google results unless you omit the author's middle name from the search string. Since it would be helpful to identify the source as a Ph.D. thesis, I added that information and the URL to the reference. It's not obvious to me that a dissertation on the city's history from 1945 to 1970 would be a good source regarding the reasons for a CBS decision regarding a 1999 TV series, so I altered the entry in the article to eliminate the quotation and focus on the fact (supported by other online sources) that New Rochelle was one of the settings for the story. Presumably someone with a Columbia University computer account or local library access could read this dissertation and use it productively as a source in the article. --Orlady (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Followup: In midst of discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Banned user Jvolkblum and New Rochelle, NY articles a oopy of the dissertation was found and it was determined that the quote was legitimate, and that Orlady's accusations about fabrication of material in this situation were false. A copy of the dissertation was provided to Orlady and I could provide it by email also to anyone else who requests it (send me an email giving your email address, if interested). If anyone wants to restore the quote/passage, if it is still missing, or to develop the article further along these lines, they should go ahead. doncram (talk) 19:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle neighborhoods

Help would be appreciated in ongoing development at List of New Rochelle neighborhoods, which would eventually affect coverage of communities/neighborhoods within a section of this New Rochelle article. I believe that centralized development at this list-article is best, given a history of edit warring and article deletions in separated articles about individual New Rochelle neighborhoods. See Talk:List of New Rochelle neighborhoods. It would be most appreciated if anyone with map image making skills would be able to help out. doncram (talk) 19:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

New Rochelle editors related discussion

New Rochelle problem discussion notification: I've opened a new discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Long-running problem with respect to New Rochelle area articles.

This relates to a perhaps overly complicated 4 part proposal i opened on March 26, which was closed on March 27 and archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive187#Proposal for unban, apology, amnesty for Jvolkblum and related others, and topic ban for Orlady.

I've also provided a courtesy notice to all parties who had more than a one word comment in the previous discussion. I think it is a problem that won't go away, and I hope that you will be part of the solution, whether or not you and I have agreed previously. I hope that we can at least clarify the problem, if not immediately agree upon a solution. doncram (talk) 03:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Suggested split of the history section to a new article

Hey guys,

The article has reached considerable length, last time I checked it was 88 KB long. WP:Split recommends for long articles to be split into shorter articles. Most of the content does not seem adequate for a split but it could be useful to split the history section into a new article History of New Rochelle, New York. The content in the history section - in my view - is sufficiently long, referenced and illustrated to warrant a separate article on the history and would allow to go into more detail there. Further down, there is a paragraph about the "New York, Westchester and Boston Railroad" which is ralated to the history as well, that one could be included in the split as "Railroad history" or so, I am pretty sure that there can be found some more on the history of the railrod at that place. I am going tag the article accordingly.

In this article, the history section and the railroad line paragraph could be shortened dramatically, leaving maybe two paragraphs maximum per century, outlining just the most important developments or events for the reader. The remaining information should be formualted in prose, not as a list (see below). The history article would be linked at the top of the History section with a {{main|History of New Rochelle, New York}} tag.

There are a few suggestions for improvement that need to be addressed. The railroad mention is not sourced, it would be a very good idea to find and add a source to that. Then, the history - especially the 19th and 20th/21st (and also the 18th century somewhat) - mentions dates and events that make the content look like a list or timeline. That might look like a good idea at first but according to the Manual of Style it is discouraged. The articles should be written in prose, which would require quite some re-formulating and that would be a time consuming task. Please note that prose does not mean to just remove the blank lines and returns in the timeline. The content should be formulated in a way that you end up with a text that is easy to read through, like a story, not a list. The subsection about the 17th century is a good example of how it is done.

If there is support for the split and if there are regular editors who are interested in developing this idea and want to get involved in the major reformulation challenge then let a discussion take place here and boldly go ahead. doxTxob \ ^talk 02:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I have put a suggestion here, how the History of New Rochelle, New York article could start: Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Temp. I have mostly re-sorted and re-structured the information, not much re-writing or checking/adding sources. I have devided the lengthy list of dates into several topics, within the topics the information is sorted chronologically. In effect, the article is more fluent to read and the headers make it easier for the reader to find the topic they are interested in. There are gaps in the sourcing of the content but not much more than in many other artciles. And I did not find anything that could not be fixed or that was so exaggerated that it would require immediate action. I have stubbed the poem to the four most essential lines to remove the WP:Copyvio, the remaining few words should be good as fair use. If you disagree, please let me know. If you like to edit the proposed page, just go ahead. If there is no major concern in the next few days, I plan to move that content to the mainspace and improve the article there and then, gradually, reduce teh history content in the main article. Suggestions for the reduced content would be very welcome by regular editors who are familiar with New Rochelle. Thank you and happy editing. doxTxob \ ^talk 03:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

(X-posted from: User talk:Orlady#History of New Rochelle, New York) Hey Orlady, You have been involved with the New Rochelle, New York topics for a while so I thought to let you know about my plan. That article is getting quite long and WP:split suggests that a split should be due at that length. I intend to split off the history part into a new article History of New Rochelle, New York to shorten the main article a little and proposed a possibe start at Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Temp with not much participation in the discussion yet. Anyway, the proposal is not worse than the article before and not better sourced yet, either. The content is improved, a copyvio has been removed and the stuff is much better to read as I have sorted the timeline into sections by topic for the centuries and re-formulated it to prose. The separate history article would make both articles easier to maintain and for users who are interested in the topic the better structure would make sure that additional information is added in the right place. I know you are quite busy at the moment with the RfA but I'd like you to have a short look at Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Temp and get a hint at your opinion. If you do not have any major (!) concerns, I will be bold and just go ahead. Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 03:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

(X-posted from: User talk:DoxTxob#History of New Rochelle) I'm pleased to see that you have taken up the project of splitting the excessively long New Rochelle article by converting the history section into a stand-alone article. You have taken on a lot of work there -- I expect that the job of evaluating the sources of the history content on the New Rochelle page will be onerous. Good luck!

I looked at your test page at Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Temp, but I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to comment, since the content already occupies a talk page. Have you considered moving this to a subpage in your own User space, where it could have its own talk page?

Both questions are answered at the very top of Talk:New Rochelle, New York/Temp.

The first comment I wanted to make has to do with the page's version of a short passage in the lead section that I have objected to elsewhere (I've labeled some of it as "puffery"). In detail, here are the concerns I have had about the sentences I have questioned:

• "The era of suburban living began in the late 1800s..." - Those words are a rhetorical flourish that I suspect (considering the contributor's copyvio history) was "borrowed" from somewhere else. Unless some other published source describes "the era of suburban living" as having started in New Rochelle, I strongly believe that this should be replaced with a more objectively worded statement (sourced, I hope) about the community's transformation to a bedroom suburb beginning in the late 1800s.
• "...when the New York & New Haven Railroad opened a line with a stop in New Rochelle." - This could be converted to a factual statement about the opening of the railroad line and establishment of the stop at New Rochelle, including a specific date instead of a broad flourish about "late 1800s". As one contributor has pointed out (sorry, I forget where), the railroad company (which has its own article) may have had a different name at the time that the service to New Rochelle was established.
• "It was during this period that the city became famous as a summer resort." - Where's the source for the assertion that New Rochelle became famous as a summer resort?
• "New Rochelle soon became one of the country's first 'bedroom communities'..." - This is another statement that needs to be sourced.
• "...with most residents traveling daily to New York City for work, and back home to the suburbs to sleep." - This wording also seems very likely to be copied from some other source.

I'm pleased to see that your version does not include the sentence "The 1960s television hit The Dick Van Dyke Show popularized New Rochelle suburban life as an American ideal." It is undeniably true that Dick Van Dyke's sitcom family on that show was identified as living in New Rochelle, and I'm sure that reliable sources can easily be found for that fact. My problem is with the statement that that the show "popularized New Rochelle suburban life as an American ideal." I think it highly unlikely that anyone could prove that statement, much less that there is a reliable source available to cite to document that it was proven. (Furthermore, I watched that TV show faithfully as a kid, and I don't remember that it represented "New Rochelle" as anything other than the name of the place where the Petrie family's studio-set house was supposedly located. I certainly don't remember idealizing New Rochelle suburban life as a result of the show.) --Orlady (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I was intrigued by the "era of suburban living". It turns out that this was first(?) added by User:FlannaryFamily in this edit with the extremely confusing edit summary "info update". The user is now blocked as a sockpuppet. For comparison, the text added by the user:

The era of suburban living began around the year 1849 when the New York and New Haven Railroad opened a line with a stop in New Rochelle. It was during this period that New Rochelle became famous as a summer resort.

And for comparison a passage from New Rochelle, Portrait of a City by Merrill and Finn:

... York and New Haven Railroad opened a line that stopped in New Rochelle. Then the era of suburban living began. It was during this period that New Rochelle became famous as a summer resort.

With Google Books' snippet view I can't read more, but I verified that "1849" also appears on the same page. This is an obvious copyright violation. I am beginning to see the dimension of the problem. This kind of thing is very hard to spot and can bring Wikipedia into serious difficulties. Just rephrasing the text is not enough once the original version has been added, since then it's a derivative of the copyrighted text. --Hans Adler (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I never said it was perfect the way it is, this is the information that is currently present in the New Rochelle Article. So this version is not worse than the article. I understand both of your concerns and I will address them by removing some of the unfounded information step by step. I have removed one copyright problem already, the poem. doxTxob \ ^talk 21:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This thread is closed, please do not add to it. As there was no opposition against the split. I have moved the history related material from New Rochelle, New York to History of New Rochelle, New York. Discussion about the improvement of the history related material continues at Talk:History of New Rochelle, New York, I have inserted the relevant concerns from this discussion there already, so the discussion can go right ahead. doxTxob \ ^talk 21:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Reduction of history section

To shorten this long article, I have moved history related material to a new article History of New Rochelle, New York. This means that the history information in this article needs to be shortend gradually to maybe two paragraphs per century maximum. The two paragraphs should contain only a summary of the most important events of the century. Feel free to go ahead if you are interested in contributing to the topic. doxTxob \ ^talk 21:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I have reduced the history section to a good extent. The information is in the article History of New Rochelle, New York just as it was. This article needed to be shortened. doxTxob \ ^talk 01:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

My recent edits

Hey, I have removed the short list of fire stations, that does not make sense in an encyclopedia in my view. I understand that there is a wish to complete the article but not every single detail has a place in an encyclopedia. It would be nice to have a source for the information about the fire department. Please do not just re-add the information if you do not agree with my move. I also did some minor formatting, mostly removal of blank lines. doxTxob \ ^talk 03:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I have resorted quite some of the paragraphs in the article. The main purpose was to bring them in an order from more imprtant to less important, starting at the top. There are probably many ways to do this. I just copied and pasted whole sections from here to there. I did all the edits in one session, that has one distinct advantage, if you really hate it, you can undo the edits in just one action. I think it might be helpful for the flow of the text. doxTxob \ ^talk 04:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Poem stubbed

I really hated to do this, but the poem quoted in its entirety is a violation of the authors copyright. And according to WP:Copyvio these violations need to be removed. I am very sorry I had to do that. Usually, in case of copyright violations it is an option to re-phrase the original text ... well, that would be impossible in the case of a poem, unfortunately. I read the poem thoroughly and left the last four lines as I think that they best represent the author's love for that place. This should be consistent with fair use of the material. doxTxob \ ^talk 01:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Nouvelle?

Is there any point to keep the French spelling and pronuntiation of this town in the article's first sentence? The town has been called New Rochelle consistently during the last, say, 200 years. I dont think that the descendants of the first 33 huguenots families will complain if we remove that remark which sounds rather out of place to me. MOUNTOLIVE _{fedeli alla linea} 01:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Assuming there is no other reason for its presense, I have no objection to its removal. --JBC3 (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Mean Joe Greene "Hey Kid" Coke Commercial

This famous commercial was shot at Memorial Field Stadium in Mount Vernon, NY. The reference for the commercial being shot in New Rochelle, NY comes from a Texas newspaper but that article is incorrect as a quick Google search will show. Mean Joe Greene was interviewed for a mini-documentary on the commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DBfr17P2AU) and describes the stadium as being in Pelham, NY. The stadium is very close to the Mount Vernon/Pelham border and, as a guess, what he recalls is being in a car, getting off at a Pelham exit on the Hutchinson River Parkway which runs next to the stadium. In fact,there has never been a stadium in New Rochelle with a ramp leading to/from the stands. As the commercial was shot in Mount Vernon, NY, I have removed this information from the New Rochelle entry. Rcox1963 (talk) 14:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that correction. --Orlady (talk) 15:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

additional noteworthy residents

I saw no mention of either noted animator Walter Lantz (creator of Andy Panda, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, etc.) or his sculptor brother Michael Lantz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RgmS5851 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

please edit the notable residents to the New Rochelle Page to add Edson Buddle. he is a forward on the United States World Cup team of 2010, and also is a professional MLS player for the LA Galaxy

http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/edson-buddle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.96.78 (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.24.96.78, 26 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} please edit the notable residents to the New Rochelle Page to add Edson Buddle. he is a forward on the United States World Cup team of 2010, and also is a professional MLS player for the LA Galaxy

http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/edson-buddle

76.24.96.78 (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done CTJF83 pride 18:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Leisler info in history is incorrect

Jacob Leisler is listed as arriving as a British mercenary. This is incorrect. According to the wikipedia page on Leisler he came to New Amsterdam in 1660 in the employ of the Dutch West Indies Company. Please change the page to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.232.166 (talk) 05:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Remove "renowned" from description of New Rochelle High School

In Education section, I recommend removing the sentence "The city is served by the City School District of New Rochelle, which operates a renowned public high school, two junior high schools and ten elementary schools" should be edited to remove the word "renowned" Puffery Rcox1963 (talk)

Indiscriminate Collection of Information: inclusion in "best of" lists

It appears incongruous that in an article on an American municipality that is 300 years old to include, in the opening paragraph, a three year old "best of" lists from the American Podiatric Medical Association and Business Week. Further, the Business Week article used criteria for consideration that excluded all but three municipalities in New York State (Mount Vernon, White Plains and New Rochelle) and then selected New Rochelle from among those three; it is beyond a stretch to say that there is any verifiable basis for the claim that New Rochelle is one of the best places nationally, to raise children or was back in 2008. Even if this information belongs in the article (and clearly I believe it does not) it does not belong where it has been placed. I recommend removing it altogether. Info (Puffery Rcox1963 (talk)

Housing Variety section reads more like a Real Estate Broker Brochure

The section on Housing variety violates Wikipedia policy on many levels. I recommend the entire section be scrapped and begun again based on data on housing stock in New Rochelle. Here is partial list of what is wrong with this section:

Sourcing is Poor: Rather than rely on sources like "Forbes Magazines list of the '500 most expensive zip-codes', this section should use data from the U.S. Census Bureau or American Community Survey or government agencies than provide studies on housing stock.

Not-NOV: This section is written to tout New Rochelle while making statements which may be understood to be critical of neighboring municipalities,

Vague Terms: Terms such as "Popular consenus" (sic), "embracing the needs of the poor", "more forward thinking, community centered townhouse-style housing units"

Random Collection of Facts: "Some of the country's most expensive real estate can be found in New Rochelle." and "One of 'the wealthiest people in the United States' according to Forbes Magazine was longtime New Rochelle resident and businessman Sidney Frank." and "the true economic diversity of New Rochelle".

Not About Housing: This section is not really much about housing at all but rather describing neighborhoods and specific development projects as well as home prices and the affluence of the home owners. A great deal of focus is on comparing wealth or lack thereof. There is actually very little in this section about housing at all.

Soapbox INFO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcox1963 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the below section should be scrapped. Lack of citation and expresses opinion, not fact.

"By embracing the needs of the poor, New Rochelle sets a precedent for other suburban communities to follow. Neighboring towns including Mamaroneck, Larchmont and Scarsdale neglect to address such concerns, failing to meet the minimal affordable housing requirements set by the state. Popular consenus is that the presence of the poor precludes that of the middle-class and the wealthy. Considering the large number of working-class and affordable housing units found 'Downtown', the high property values prevalent throughout most of the city reflects the true economic diversity of New Rochelle. It is home to the financially disadvantaged and the very wealthy." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mas corrector (talk • contribs) 02:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

New Rochelle is not a "center of business"

Recommend changing "New Rochelle remains a center of business, home to the corporate headquarters of Sidney Frank Importing, Blimpies, and East River Savings Bank." to "Corporate headquarters of Sidney Frank Importing, Blimpies, and East River Savings Bank are located in New Rochelle" or similar to make the sentence more NPV. I believe this is incomplete. It fails to list, for example, Steiner Sports, one of the leading sports memorabilia companies in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcox1963 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with pretty much all your suggestions above, Rcox1963. Much of the NPOV problems likely stem from a banned user whose sole purpose here was to glorify New Rochelle (for reasons which I never ascertained). So you have my full support in fixing any NPOV in this and other New Rochelle-related articles. Wknight94 ^talk 22:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

New Rochelle in media and fiction

" ... The studio is noted for filming the first serial in motion pictures, named Million Dollar Mystery. NO ! The Million Dollar Mystery ! --84.101.128.127 (talk) 08:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC) (Sum, fr-WP)

• "Terrytoons animation studio was located in New Rochelle from 1928 to 1968. Its most popular characters include ... Luno ... ". NO ! Problem redirect page ! Look at Luno The White Stallion. --84.101.128.127 (talk) 07:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC) (Sum, fr-WP)

The ABC sitcom Suburgatory takes place in the fictional town of Chatswin, which shares borders with New Rochelle, or is to even be confused with part of the city. - 187.20.72.10 (talk) 18:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)