Talk:Mum

Requested move 6 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 22:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Mum (disambiguation) → Mum – Sure, the primary meaning of the everyday English word mum is 'mother', but it is also the proper name of several encyclopedic topics, and in an encyclopedia we should prioritise navigation to them rather than try to emulate an English dictionary. But even for those who use Wikipedia as a dictionary, it will be more helpful if we present them with a dab page whose first line clearly defines mum as an informal word for a mother, rather than send them to a general article on motherhood that mentions the word only after several long paragraphs. – Uanfala (talk) 01:39, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom, the dab page gets practically the same amount of hits as Mum, indicating that those who enter Mum are looking for something else. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Mum as short for chrysanthemum is at least if not more common than the vernacular colloquialism for mother. older ≠ wiser 21:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • That is an opinion that I do not agree with. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, Thjarkur and older ≠ wiser. In the United States, the informal word for a mother is usually spelled "mom". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
• In Britain, the informal word for a mother is usually spelled "mum", in my experience. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support per Thjarkur's finding. (t · c) buidhe 13:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support Per nom._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: the primary meaning of the everyday English word mum is 'mother' means that in Enwiki Mother is the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC for "Mum". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Is there good evidence that the primary meaning of 'mum' is mother in worldwide English usage? There is certainly dialect differences in usage between UK and America; I'm not sure about elsewhere. And in terms of what encyclopedic term people are likely to be looking for, can we really assume readers would go to Wikipedia to search for what most would understand to be a colloquialism or would reader be more likely to look up a term they are not likely to already know the meaning of? older ≠ wiser 14:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • It's the top definition at wiktionary, Collins, and in my print edition of Concise Oxford, for instance. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
    • And it is not the top definition others, for example Merriam-Webster. And in most, it is clearly identified as informal British dialect. older ≠ wiser 14:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
    • These discussions have some interesting analysis: Writing Explained, dialect blog, and Unravel magazine. older ≠ wiser 15:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support per Bkonrad; as the common name of the plant, it is at least, if not more common in American and Canadian English. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 06:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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