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Requested move 5 June 2024

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It has been proposed in this section that Monte Mars be renamed and moved to Mont Mars.

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Monte Mars → Mont Mars – "Mont Mars" is far more widely sourced on the Internet that "Monte Mars". --Simoncik84 (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Simoncik84 (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Favonian (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Note: WikiProject Mountains of the Alps and WikiProject Mountains have been notified of this discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Simoncik84:

Question: What evidence do you have that "Mont Mars" is a more commonly-used name in English than "Monte Mars"? — hike395 (talk) 13:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Relisting comment: Evidence supporting the claim of WP:COMMONNAME has been requested. Favonian (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Hike395, please find this evidence: Aosta Valley Tourism Board, Monte Rosa Tourism Board, Aosta Valley Natural Areas and Bard Fort (Alps Museum) official website. Simoncik84 (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Individual examples don't really support the "far more widely sources on the Internet" claim. Some data relevant to WP:COMMONNAME I just found:

Google Ngrams shows "Mont Mars" occurs in English books, but "Monte Mars" does not
Google Trends shows a very small number of search queries for "Mont Mars", but none for "Monte Mars".
I could not find either in Britannica

Not sure this is enough to establish a WP:COMMONNAME — hike395 (talk) 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Mont Mars" is the French name, used in the Aosta Valley region. "Monte mars" is the Italian name, used in Piedmont and in the rest of Italy as well, see here (Peakbagger entry), or on the guide book of Touring Club Italiano(here), or on Lonely Planet guide book (here) .--Pampuco (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

We are talking about sources in English. @Hike395, so the article can be renamed? Simoncik84 (talk) 14:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not sure I think the proposed move is plausible, but there's so little data that I can't say we've identified the WP:COMMONNAME with high confidence. — hike395 (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Let's keep in mind that we're talking about a minor summit, we should therefore relatively consider the sources quantity. I remind that the sources I've provided with for "mont Mars" are in English and published by official (government or museums) local websites, while no source in English for "monte Mars" is provided, unless I'm not wrong. Simoncik84 (talk) 10:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Relisting comment: Additional relist to give more editors the chance to review the evidence BilledMammal (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Weak support, the sources on the nature reserve provided use "Mont Mars" for both the nature reserve and the summit itself in text, and are English-language sources with weight. Adding in Ngrams supporting "Mont Mars", and the sources provided for "Monte Mars" being non-English sources gives "Mont Mars" a little more weight. However, it could be argued this is a WP:USENATIVE case due to the low amount of sources, and under WP:MLN use the name in the language of the area. However it would have to be determined what is the exact local name or language used, considering "Mont Mars" is universally used for the nature reserve in Italian, so too uses both names in Italian. Dank Jae 17:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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