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Routes in railway station articles edit

I notice lots of articles on Italian railway stations have a section detailing the "routes" served by trains passing through them, e.g. Molfetta railway station, Rimini railway station, Roma Termini railway station. These sections are often entirely unreferenced; browsing through the edit history of these three sampled stations, the sections were added by Chris0693 (no edits since 2018) around 2014.

I'm coming across quite a few Italian railway station articles in WP:FEB24. I guess I have two questions:

  1. Is there any WP:RS we can use to reference these sections, short of the laborious task of combing through individual daily station timetables (e.g. Molfetta)?
  2. Should these sections even exist? Where stations aren't on a handful of simple routes, I have broader reservations that I'm not sure these routes are entirely appropriate for an encyclopaedic entry, or at worst, in the absence of published timetables per station, risk becoming obsolete over time and thus factually incorrect. (Sure, these things are unlikely to change dramatically, but 10 years have passed since Chris' work.) I also notice that these sections don't exist in the Italian-language counterpart articles of these sampled stations.

Thanks! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 20:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm not aware of a single Italian source comparable to https://www.öv-info.ch/de for Switzerland. I've mostly worked with Italian stations in Northern Italy; so I know that Trenord, for one, does or did publish schedules that can be referenced.
On the broader question, I think it's appropriate to present the information if it can be appropriately referenced, and for me that means PDFs or something else with state. Going off the trip planner fails WP:V. Service frequency and destinations are an important part of why a station exists. The obsolescence question is an important one. I believe Italy follows other European countries in changing its timetables on the second Saturday in December. Something I've started doing is including the formulation As of the December 2020 timetable change, the following services to make it clear when the information was last checked. Mackensen (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I think you're quite right about PDF or equivalent references. On which note, I dug around and found that Trenitalia does publish PDFs, which might be part of the answer to this discussion. The PDFs are divided by train type, so some stations will require several PDFs to fully reference, and of course, this is only Trenitalia. The note about timetable changes is wise, certainly an oversight from the 2014 additions. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
So I tried to see what redoing Chris' work would look like for Rimini (granted, a major railway station). It seems like a mess: 24 destinations, with upwards of 40 routes or station-calling patterns. Because things seem to be scheduled by the train than by the route, it feels like trying to explain the typical frequency or listing routes invites a mighty mess. Additionally, there are significant differences for April, and some routes only run on Saturdays. I suspect a summary along these lines might be sufficient (and likely avoid the need of major updates between winter/summer schedules):

As of February 2024, the station is served by regional, fast regional (regionale veloce), InterCity, and high-speed Frecciarossa trains. As is typical on the Italian network, trains scheduled at different times of the day call at different combinations or numbers of stations along similar routes, and often terminate at different stations. Regional trains calling at Rimini typically run to Ancona, Imola, Bologna Centrale or Ravenna, while fast regional trains typically run to Ancona, Bologna Centrale or Piacenza. The InterCity and Frecciarossa trains extend to Lecce and Milano Centrale, or terminate at major stops before those stations, such as Pescara Centrale or Bari Centrale. There are infrequent or seasonal direct trains to San Pietro in Casale, Ferrara, Suzzarra, Torino Porta Nuova, Venezia Santa Lucia, and Trieste Centrale. There is a daily EuroCity service to München Hautbahnhof, and a seasonal EuroNight service between München and Pesaro. One high-speed Frecciabianca runs to Roma Termini every morning, returning as a non-stop service to Ravenna in the evening.

Notice that this pattern is considerably different to the 2014 section in the article, suggesting indeed that these sections need revising across railway station articles. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that's an entirely reasonable approach. I suspect two things are true: service patterns have changed since 2014, and the 2014 version of the article didn't provide a complete summary of services. Mackensen (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Clement of Rome#Requested move 3 March 2024 edit

 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Clement of Rome#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Marcon#Requested move 3 March 2024 edit

 

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Requested move at Talk:Italian soft power#Requested move 14 March 2024 edit

 

An editor has requested that Italian soft power be moved to Soft power of Italy, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gnudi edit

This page needs help, in the meantime I'm trying to solve. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Merger discussion for 2024 Lake Suviana explosion edit

  An article which may be of interest to members of this project—2024 Lake Suviana explosion—has been proposed for merging with Lake Suviana. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. IgnatiusofLondon IgnatiusofLondon (he/him☎️) 13:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Botteniga edit

Hi I've been looking at very old unsourced pages and found Botteniga. Can anyone here suggest suitable sources to show notability, please? JMWt (talk) 09:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:2024 Lake Suviana explosion#Requested move 11 April 2024 (2) edit

 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Lake Suviana explosion#Requested move 11 April 2024 (2) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

IP user compulsively editing flags on WW2 Italy pages edit

Hey there WikiProject Italy people, there is an IP that started editing yesterday who is methodically going through many pages at quite high speed changing what appears to be a specific flag everywhere they can: Special:Contributions/92.26.65.138. I am myself not knowledgeable enough on the matter to have a strong opinion, but since it appears that edits that get caught get reverted I assume something is not right there. I only caught it because I am watching changes on Bombing of Rome, and am afraid potentially problematic changes to niche pages could go unnoticed. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 12:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Article Request edit

Hey all, I want to put in an article request here but I'm not sure what the correct procedure is. Should I just add it to the list on the project page? Is there some sort of process? Sorry, I'm pretty new here.

The article I'm requesting is for La Critica - I'm currently doing significant work on the Giovanni Gentile article and it would be useful to have an English language version of the article. Given that it's already a redirect, we may need an actual article to replace it?

For reference, here's what the bullet point in the list would look like:

Meluiel (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply