Talk:Moja štikla

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Two quick points before anyone reverts the idea that it's turbo-folk:

• That was how it was described in the English commentary at the ESC itself as far as I can remember.
• "The song itself is in the folk style" (a direct quote from the version as it currently stands before I change it) says very strongly that it's a regular folk song. Thus, the claims by User:GregorB in his latest edit summary that "Nobody said it's regular folk, it's just that it isn't turbo folk" are false. The sentence as he reverts it most certainly does say that it's regular folk, which I think both of us can agree is utterly a false statement. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The above arguments are faulty for two reasons:

1. I could describe this song as bossa nova, but that doesn't make it bossa nova any more than ESC commentary makes it turbo folk (i.e. I'd be wrong, just like the commentary in question is).
2. Turbo folk is a subset of folk, therefore (A) "Song X is turbo folk" --> (B) "Song is folk", i.e. if A is true then necessarily B is true. (And, of course, B can be true even if A isn't, which is why I made that edit in the first place.) This is logical implication, elementary stuff.

I wouldn't mind at all if the article said what you said: "the song was described in the English commentary at the ESC as turbo folk", or something to that effect; if that's what they said, then there's nothing to dispute. GregorB 21:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll make that change accordingly. Personally, I still say it sounds like the turbo folk I've heard, but your userpage says you're from Croatia where the style is much easier to hear, so I'll accept that it isn't just a clear-cut thing. I take your point that if something is turbo folk, it must ipso facto also be folk, but that's a slightly problematic idea at least in English, where "folk music" means something more like Bob Dylan or those fiddly Medieval ballads, even though that's far too narrow a definition. I'm sure you'll agree that whatever style it was in, it certainly didn't have much to do with either of those two exponents of it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)