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NPOV
editI think we need to find a way to present the undeniably provactive artwork in a less-biased manner. The edits that preceeded and followed mine appear to have a pretty heavy bias. Is there some way which we can try to present it that would be more satisfactory to those editors who don't like him without simply leveling criticism? Fightindaman 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's difficult to maintain strict NPOV when dealing with a subject with such an intense and devisive POV, but I took a crack at it.--Qball6 04:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Mike Flugennock's statements are clearly on the record on his web page and DC Indymedia. He has expressed support for suicide bombers who kill Israeli and Iraqi civilians and has stated that they are getting justice. He consistently rants about "ADL/AIPAC/New York liberals". If you want to create a fan page for Mr. Flugennock immune from posts showing Flugennock's support of questionable causes, I suggest a myspace account, not Wikipedia. --DCavenger 15:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you that this article is not a "fan page", but it is not a Flugennock "hate page" either. It should be a neutral encylopedia article. Personally, I had never heard of the guy until yesterday, and I concede that I find some of his posters offensive. However, personal feelings about the man are not relevant to the article.--Qball6 21:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
basically you got one person repeating the same smears and conflating political opinions with the acutal political cartoons. a political cartoonist is just that.
- Valid point. It's difficult to avoid POV when trying to describe a political cartoon, so perhaps the best way to deal with it in an article is to let the reader decide for himself/herself. I did restore the reference to the Iranian cartoon contest - this is well established and notable information about the subject.--Qball6 14:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
FACT: Flugennock's cartoon was submitted to the Iranian contest by someone else. He has no problem with it. See statement from another cartoonist in same contest, who's work ended up there: http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2006/03/14/iranian-holocaust-cartoon-contest-draws-6-americans/
I removed the POV tag, as the original POV concern (that the article was too criticle of Flugennock) appears to have been resolved. Qball6 03:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be noted that Flugennock's anti-Democratic Party and anti-HRC cartoons track closely with Putin and Trump's framing and have received favorable attention on Russian government-owned station RT: