Talk:Matthew Holness

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Bob Fossil

I've removed the details about Holness being the first to play the role of Bob Fossil in The Mighty Boosh stage play. If this is actually true, a supporting citation is needed from a reliable source. All I could find in support was:

• this page on IMDb, and
• this timeline on Fandom/Wikia, which says he played the part in a live run-through of the television pilot,

neither of which are reliable sources, to my knowledge. Meticulo (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch that. I've found a source of sorts on YouTube in the form of some clips from 'The Mighty Boosh A History'. Meticulo (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Rewrite

I've also rewritten much of the page, and particularly the career section, in an effort to alter the tone. But more citations are still needed, I think. Meticulo (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

→"Dream-weaver, visionary, plus actor"

The introduction of this article has repeatedly been changed to reflect the satirical introduction of Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, mostly by changing the phrasing "and actor" so it instead reads "plus actor". The result is something that would read peculiarly to anyone not privy to the inside joke. This doesn't seem to be in keeping with WP:TONE. And although it's not policy, I'd also point to the essay on humor which says, "Not everyone is looking for humor – Sometimes, an editor is engaged in a serious task and just wants to focus on it. Clear disclosure gives them the option to do so, whereas undisclosed jokes often draw attention and take time to figure out." Meticulo (talk) 12:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

no one who doesn't get the joke would think twice about the phrase 'plus actor'. it doesn't affect the cohesion or readability of the article and is just a nice reference for those who get it. there's nothing wrong with it Johnathan 2001 (talk) 14:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

"No one"? I most likely would, and doubt I'm alone in that. Meticulo (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

There's no justification for removing "plus" and replacing it with "and" - it doesn't change the factual meaning or accuracy for anyone, however serious they may be.

There are no rules around not using synonyms (and nor should there be). If the meaning actually changed, I would understand your point but it doesn't, and brings a small laugh and bit of joy to anyone reading it who has seen Darkplace.

Moreover, "plus" is possibly more accurate, since the majority of his professional work has not been acting, it very much has been in addition to his writing and other work.

Please change it back to "plus". 46.149.103.1 (talk) 16:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Why was it changed back to "and", and with no further discussion? 92.40.217.69 (talk) 00:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

There is no reason to change it to "plus", it's awkward phrasing that does not accord with the style of Wikipedia. ... discospinster _talk 23:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Please cite whatever style guide, rule, or protocol - or convention of the English language - that means you can't say "plus actor". 2.28.186.201 (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Control freaks are weird. I’m joining and challenging this petty decision. 2A00:23EE:1650:A185:782E:BE33:BC42:7DD6 (talk) 09:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

A couple of policies to keep in mind: WP:CIVIL, "Comment on content, not on the contributor", and WP:CRONY, "Do not recruit your friends, family members, or communities of people who agree with you for the purpose of coming to Wikipedia and supporting your side of a debate". I agree with discospinster that the phrasing is awkward. Here's an admittedly more extreme example to show why I think that: "I put on my shoes plus socks, plus then went out to buy some fish plus chips". Meticulo (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)