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Notability edit

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In case of doubt: Jocelyn Blériot, executive officer of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, is discussing the book with Tim Jackson at the 2016 Disruptive Innovation Festival, explicitly referring to it as an early plea for the circular economy. A video of the conversation is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=711&v=jwXL1TR5mdg (relevant from about minute 12). Q: If we agree on notability, would it make sense to cite the video in the article? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LG-SuCo (talk • contribs)

@LG-SuCo: Youtube videos can be used as references, but it is somewhat uncommon. User generated content will frequently fail acceptance. See WP:USERG. If it comes from a major news outlet, that could be different. So, it depends. I'd certainly like to see sources that support the notability of the book. As is, there's nothing to secondary sources. Amazon is just a store really, and links to Tim's sites are primary in nature. Has there been press about the book? Not press releases, but articles about the book written by people independent of the subject? --Hammersoft (talk) 14:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Hammersoft: Thanks for taking the time. Very understandable - just a bit difficult as it's early days of the internet (!). How about the SEI site as a more reputable source for describing the book?: https://www.sei.org/publications/material-concerns-pollution-profit-quality-life/

Reviews I did find a more elaborate review here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/%28SICI%291099-0976%28199705%297%3A3%3C99%3A%3AAID-EET113%3E3.0.CO%3B2-2

I thought to link to amazon as the publishers haven't updated their own databases. I do have a copy of the first edition (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bc1dmAEACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions) with the reviews printed on the book cover? But that’s no good in this context I assume?

Material Concerns in the literature

The book is cited in fairly established contexts:

Sustainable Design Forum (Defra financed) 2005: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/tna/+/http:/www.dti.gov.uk/sustainability/pdfs/design_and_sustainability_report_June_2005.pdf

The Star 2008: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2008/04/28/striking-the-right-balance/

Some of the data from MC is cited in this Worldwatch Institute report: http://www.worldwatch.org/system/files/EWP144.pdf and the Journal of Bioeconomics paper: http://www.greeneconomics.net/EllieP-FemEcolEcon.pdf

Also referred to in this Ellen MacArthur Foundation paper: https://www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/assets/downloads/publications/Ellen-MacArthur-Foundation-Towards-the-Circular-Economy-vol.1.pdf

Also referenced in this Hellenic Foundation for European & Foreign Policy paper: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/188927/%CE%9D%CE%BF-24-Rethinking-energy-security.pdf

Material Concerns in Syllabuses

It appeared here in a list of recommended readings: http://www.ucalgary.ca/EV/designresearch/publications/intervention/1997w/recommendedbook.html; and in an environmental management course at the University of California: www.bren.ucsb.edu/academics/documents/ESM282-Geyer.docx

It is also referred to on this platform of the Open University: http://www.open.edu/openlearn/nature-environment/the-environment/environmental-science/working-our-environment-introduction/content-section-2.3

General indications for notability: Tim appeared in this BBC feature alongside Ellen MacArthur, around the topic of the circular economy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMu964d_dXY

Not sure how to meaningfully integrate in the article, but this is good to independently ‘proof’ notability you think?

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