Talk:Master Chief (Halo)/Archive 3

Master Chief's size

If any of you people have the halo 3 beastiery it says Master Chief weighs 179kg and is 2.08m tall but i don't see any of those figures . Someone please answer why?

In the "Outward appearance" section, there are figures currently cited to a different source. We should add the bestiary information as an alternative description. — TKD::Talk 11:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe the figure I cited are from Halo:CE manual; i suggest just making an approximation using the two figures, small things like that are going to change. David Fuchs ^(talk) 12:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Or perhaps just say that source 1 says X and source 2 says Y, if that doesn't turn out too unwieldy. — TKD::Talk 12:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

we should use the most recent figures from the Halo 3 beatiary, as it SHOULD retcon the rest of the old information as the newest published information from Bungie. It's just like how it was thought that the Elites made first contact with Harvest, but it was the Jackals at some random point in space ReshenKusaga (talk) 06:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Seconded that. Bungie's own "canon priority" policy puts newer material over older ones. If the Bestiary says how tall the Chief is, that's how tall he is, unless osmething else comes out that overrides it. Peptuck (talk) 06:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The Master Chief's Face

The introduction says that the Master Chief is never seen without his helmet. This is true to some extent, but there is a little inequity just somewheres. Indeed, the Chief has never exactly smiled for the camera as far as we're concerned, but in the Beta version of Halo 3, we find a mysterious easter egg in the gameplay commonly featured on Youtube. It requires for one player to enter a vehicle or to somehow change the camera angle to third-person. Then, if there is another player intercepting that camera at the right location, facing the camera directly, there is a crack in the visor with obvious, shadowy, face-like forms within. If that player is wielding a light source, such as a charged plasma pistol, the face is then fully lit and its being is undeniable. A certain comment for one of such videos on Youtube said that the face was actually that of one of the workers at Bungie, the game developer. Whatever it may be, I think it's presence should not be ignored because it is very revealing for all it's worth, and also a marring abasement to the series for some people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennisjiewenliu (talk • contribs) 23:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

YouTube videos and comments aren't reliable sources, so that isn't admissible to the article. No reliable source (with editorial oversight) has ever proven or even asserted that the result is anything more than a coincidental lighting artifact. Besides, what occurs in multiplayer mode is even less worthy of mention here, because what happens in multiplayer games has absolutely zero bearing on the characters in campaign. — TKD::Talk 03:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is note of this at gaming websites such as IGN and it is sourced, then it still only warrant a sentence or two. Noobiemacnoss1 (talk)

The face in the beta version is a default one present in all of the Spartans probably used to keep a simetry in the measures of the character's body and head, that doesn't mean its intended to be Marster Chief's "real" face. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

K. Youtube is not a reliable source (as previously stated) and when in multiplayer mode, master chief is not present. You either choose to be a regular Spartan or an Elite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.170.197.10 (talk) 15:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You should realise that this is a game, not life. If you understand the tiniest bit about how games are made, you'd think it makes perfect sense to assume that that is the Master Chief.

In the Beta, the character model had the damage on the chest plate that the Chief has in campaign mode, meaning that the character mesh used for multiplayer was the same for campaign, making the character mesh used in multiplayer just a differently coloured Master Chief. So the face was created for campaign, meaning that it probably was intended to be the Master Chief. It doesn't make sense to assume that face wasn't created for campaign, because then they would have gotten rid of the damage on the chestplate, like they have in the final version of the game. In fact, the face has also been removed in multiplayer for the final version of the game (I'm not sure about campaign), so it makes a lot more sense to assume that the face is intended to be the Chief than to not. Also... the face matches the description of the Chief in books. --121.216.109.93 (talk) 08:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That's a lot of assumption and "probable" in that line of reasoning, making it WP:Original research. Unless one can provide a proper source for this that shows it really is the Chief's face - not simply a conclusion drawn by editors themselves - I don't think it can be included. Peptuck (talk) 12:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The part about the free controlling camera is true, I saw it in a Youtube video. However, at the end of Halo:CE, the camera was pointed at the Chief when he took his helmet off, revealing another helmet. Pretty anti-climatic, isn't it? Iner22 (talk) 16:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

In Halo: Fall of Reach, John is described to have freckles and brown hair at the age of six. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikail511 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Bungie have stated that the Beta face was an easter egg as it was a photoshopped picture of an employee.

"A model was never made for John's face in the game. Although Bungie has consistently stated that John's face would never be revealed to help players imagine themselves as Master Chief, numerous claims have been made that John's face was visible at some point (while playing on Multi-player). During the Halo 3 Beta several players posted videos of a possible version of the Master Chief's face. This face was an Easter egg left by Bungie, and is a model of one of their employees. Bungie's refusal to show John's face has been parodied many times in popular culture."

Straight from Halopedia. 92.4.164.217 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC).

Halopedia is not a reliable source. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 02:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Metric measurements

The metric measurements are there as a courtesy to non-Imperial readers (i.e, the rest of the world besides the US). It's helpful to those readers to actually know what we're talking about, that's why they're there. David Fuchs ^(talk) 21:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

To Dibol

He is already given the name of John in the lead. Stop adding it in again. David Fuchs ^(talk) 01:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Using the name Master Chief exclusively sounded somewhat ignorant, hence why I kept re-adding it considering that both names have been alternatively used between the games and the novels. Dibol (talk) 04:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The whole point of the lead is to summarize. We refer to him as ...John 117 in the lead, but the fact is a good deal of video game players would never know his real name- the Master Chief is the most common form. David Fuchs ^(talk) 12:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Last sentence sounded ignorant, considering that Cortana already called Master Chief John at the end of Halo 3. Dibol (talk) 20:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

One in game reference does not a 'commonly called' moniker make. David Fuchs ^(talk) 23:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Master Chief's Age

Nowhere in the article does it mention Master Chief's age. According to Halo: The Fall of Reach, he's 6 years old in the year 2517, meaning that when the events of Halo: Combat Evolved break out, he's 41 years old. I think that's significant.

BubbaYoshi (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should follow the example set by the age section of the Master Chief article on the halo wikia (halopedia?)58.107.209.187 (talk) 13:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Navy Or Marines

Curious... his job description is that of a Marine, yet the Spartan program was run by the Navy. Any insight? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.11.77 (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It's the future, they don't have to follow the USA goverment and military type, because it's the UNSC, United Nations Space Command. --Jakezing (talk) 04:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Its pretty clear from the fact that he's got a Naval rank and that he's attached to a program run by the Office of Naval Intelligence, and NavSpecWeap, that he's Navy. Peptuck (talk) 05:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

You all must not be familiar with the US military. The Marines are basically soldiers, but the extra training that they have always recieved, both due to their combat-oriented role and they're history of working for/with the Navy, make them elite/quasi-SpecOps. In the games, the Space Marines are the UNSC's grunts (kind of like back in World War II). They even have their own SpecOps group, Orbital Drop Ship Troopers, or ODST, which are like Marine Recon. The Master Chief, as a part of the UNSC, is more like a Navy SEAL, except that the gap between the two groups' training and skill is greatly exagerated, due to the SPARTAN-II program's extreme nature. Oh, the Marines started out as the soldiers/sailors that were sent to take over enemy ships when the ships got tied together and boarding parties were sent to take the enemy ship, if that helps y'all understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btmims (talk • contribs) 20:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Nicknames

Should it be mentioned that in Halo 3, some of the covenant call Master Chief, "demon"? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 20:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• They do in Halo 2 as well. It's not unique to just 3. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Master Chief in Unreal Tournament

Yeah, that pic is of a mod, not something that's an innate part of the game. Displaying it as such is misleading - either explain that it is, in fact, a mod, or replace that picture with something else. (There's plenty of other relevant media he's been a part of, like DoA. We don't need to have pics of mods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.55.63 (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

bull, this is just xbox fanboyism in action. the UT3 mod is huge. i've sourced this with official references so you can't remove this info for whatever biased reason. Cliché Online (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no indication provided by sources that prove the UT mode is "huge." Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 15:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Many people are talking about the Master Chief mod for Unreal Tournament 3" Don McGowan Microsoft attorney. Cliché Online (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The only source provided thus far is a blog, and blogs are generally unreliable sources. Official gaming news outlets would be a much more acceptable source. Also keep in mind, following standing Wikipedia policy is neither "vandalism" (as you've accused in the edit summaries) nor is it "fanboyism." Peptuck (talk) 16:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

you are fanboys. this is not the average unanimous blog and i've given officials sources (Microsoft TechNet and Microsoft Live stuff) now you are just searching lame excuses to uncover this PS3 stuff. this is an official blog, the writer's identity is known and the guy is not a kid but an attorney from microsoft. this is a reliable source. i'll let this fact in the article until you can prove it's not a huge mod, until then i'll get stuck to Don McGowan's "Many people are talking about the Master Chief mod for Unreal Tournament 3". it's all over the web just make a google search. Cliché Online (talk) 19:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Please follow WP:CIVIL and WP:AFG. What kind of an argument is "fanboy"? Alientraveller (talk) 20:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

since when "fanboy" is considered uncivil? what kind of argument is "follow the WP policies"? Cliché Online (talk) 21:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL: "Wikipedians define incivility roughly as, personally-targeted, belligerent behavior and persistent rudeness that results in an atmosphere of conflict and stress." And "follow the WP policies" should be pretty damn self-evident. Peptuck (talk) 21:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not appreciate being called a "fanboy" because I follow Wikipedia policy. I don't give a damn about this console war stupidity you seem to be accusing me and Fuchs of - I only care about maintaining a featured article by making sure any content included is reliably sourced. Find a reliable source outside of blogs. Burden of providing the source falls on the contributor. Peptuck (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

the info i have provided was removed before by an editor asking for the blog's original URL to prove the quote was real, so i've provided him with the real URL. the info i have added is relevant and reliable. Cliché Online (talk) 21:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: After checking the current sources, I have no issue with the inclusion of this content. Others whose interpretation of reliable sourcing might, but I don't care. I'm still not happy about being called a "fanboy" for enforcing policy, but if you want to keep being a console-war fixated idiot who makes up accusations, that's your business. Peptuck (talk) 20:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

of course the info i've given is reliable, i don't like to put efforts to prove something and the others keeping asking for more ("unless you can get a reliable source for that quote, not a blog"). what's wrong with the info? the guy is a microsoft attorney we know his identity, the quote is taken from his official site and everyone knows about the ut3 mod even microsoft people were asked to comment on it. voilà. Cliché Online (talk) 21:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I would also ask you to please stop referring to edits you don't agree with as vandalism. See WP:Vandalism for definitions of vandalism; good faith edits are not considered vandalism and accusing them of being such is both wrong and can be considered a violation of WP:CIVIL. Also, your last statement in the page edit summary was fallacious, as it demanded that one prove the mod was not notable; you're asking for someone to provide proof of a negative, which is impossible. Peptuck (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

how do you call when an editor remove again and again an entire, sourced, info if not vandalism? an editor asked me to prove it was "huge" in the summary "ee talk- unless you can prove this is a notable mod, it should not be here" while i've given sources... i have the right to ask the opposite. surprisingly you don't call it "fallacious" when it's someone else than me (namely David Fuchs). Cliché Online (talk) 10:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Can we get back to the point? Someone put something there that it's a mod, or remove teh picture entirelly--CrazyOmega (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The point is, borderline reliable sources that a Microsoft guy said the MC mod was fine by content usage rules does not a notable appearance make. Find me a reliable video game or news publication commenting on the mod, and we can add it in. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, I point to WP:Vandalism, and ask you to look at the definitions of vandalism. The repeated removal of content by multiple editors who disagree with your assessment that the source you're using is reliable does not constitute vandalism. It is simply an editing conflict, and calling it vandalism is innaccurate and infammatory - a violation of WP:CIVIL. Secondly, you can't ask for someone to provide proof of a negative, because it is impossible to prove a negative. Burden of proof is on you to prove that it is notable. Peptuck (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Of the four sources used, three are primary sources, two of which are used for synthesis. The only third-party source is a blog and is therefore unreliable. Notability must be attested to multiple, reliable, secondary sources, a definition that does not incorporate any of the sources used. Cliche, the burden of proving notability is on you, not on other people to disprove your theory. If notability cannot be established with reliable sources (IGN and GameSpot are good places to start), it has no place here. Unless you can provide proper sources, do not re-add the information. Before you accuse me of being a fanboy, know that I don't own an Xbox and really don't think highly of the Halo series at all. -- Sabre (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Most everything that needs to be said looks to have already been said. But here's my two cents anyway.

I have to agree with David and Sabre, the sources don't really support the claim being made. Because this article is Featured status, it must follow certain guidelines and policies to keep that status. The blog sources for the identity of DonkeyXote don't really establish who the person behind the blog is (I have a feeling anybody can make such blogs and input whatever identity they want), that is why the source does not satisfy Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source. And even if they did, I think it would only warrant one or two sentences in the section; otherwise it attributes more weight to it than the sources really provide.

I don't think anyone doubts that a Master Chief mod for UT exists, or that such a mod would not be popular. However, per WP:IINFO, "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC))

the mod has been removed by editor david fuchs again. the paragraph uses reliable source and therefore should be included, that's why i've added it back. Cliché Online (talk) 20:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

he did it again. he must believe the article belongs to him (see Fanboy). Cliché Online (talk) 09:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"If notability cannot be established with reliable sources (IGN and GameSpot are good places to start)" bullshit! why these sites would be reliable? and a Windows Profile of a known Microsoft attorney would be unreliable? what makes these sites most reliable? is it just because YOU said it? did you decide "Businessweek" was reliable? my! seems it is, the businessweek source was provided by me a while ago but david fuchs removed the paragraph anyway. how can it be? there is obvious fanboys trickery here. ho and is Joystiq a reliable source? seems it is. seems the mod is huge as well. Cliché Online (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Please stop the personal attacks. There you go, you have provided some reliable sources for the information. But you have not used the reliable information for the text you've inserted continuously, which goes against our verifiability policy; you must rewrite it using the businessweek and joystiq sources. Also, do not add in the picture, as it violates non-free content criteria; we have many pictures of the Master Chief, and adding another does not significantly increase our understanding of the work. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 13:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

the text is basically a quote of a Microsoft attorney, he says the mod is huge, yes as i said since a while everyone talks about the mod on the internet, you wanted sources you know have them. we know the microsoft attorney's identity which makes his quote relevant (he talks about content license and says bungie is okay). what do you want now? seems you've found something: now you don't want the ps3 picture because there is already another screen.... great! Cliché Online (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I noticed David Fuchs has removed the UT3 mod section again, without reason, he must thnk the article belongs to himself. I've reverted his vandalism. Cliché Online (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop refferring to good faith revisions you disagree with as vandalism. They are not considered vandalism, and accussing someone of vandalism is a breach of the civility policy. Peptuck (talk) 21:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Top Importance?

I refer to the importance of this article towards WP:XBOX. This article is hardly 'top importance', and possibly not even high. This isn't about the console, nor a game playable on the console, but actually towards a main character in Halo, a popular game for the console. I hardly see how this warrents top importance, and will change it to mid/high later on if no one can give me a (valid) reason. Metagraph comment 08:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the justification comes not from simply being a character, but the Master Chif's iconic status as the mascot of the console in particular and modern FPS games in general. As the article points out, the Master Chief is right up there with Mario in terms of recognizability. Though this is anecdotal, I've encountered sixty or seventy year-old professors on my campus who have never touched an XBOX in their life, but when they saw the Chief's image on Game Fuel vending machines on campus, they knew his name. The Chief isn't just a character, he's a symbol of XBOX and gaming in general, which is why I think the justification is warranted. Peptuck (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, those points seem valid enough. Sorry to have brought it up! I'll look into it more next time. Thanks all, Metagraph comment 11:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Character design history

Interesting to note that the brief section on character design doesn't mention the evolutionary resemblance to the character's Marathon predecessors; is this because no Wikipedian has noted it, or because Bungie has chosen to downplay the connection in the primary source material used to date? Beyond the clear resemblance and leaving aside the story elements, the description of the initial rejected models (too slim etc.) seems to hint that the Marathon cyborg player character was a heavy visual inspiration. - toh (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

But no reliable sources make the connection, so we can't put it in the article. Besides, Shi Kai Wang wasn't a Bungie staffer; why would he design a character based off a game he had no hand in making? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

sorry you don't know this, but cheif IS the marathon guy, the ending of halo 3 legendary slaps it in our face, the armor type for multi, i think they said it somewhere--Jakezing (talk) 01:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Um. No. They. Didn't. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

How, exactly, does the Legendary ending "slap it in our face" again? All it shows is a piece of the Dawn drifting toward a ominiously glowing planet; there's no indication that is the Marathon, or that the Chief is the Security Officer.Peptuck (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if I remember correctly, the planet's "outline" glows briefly, and the glow/light is in the form of the Marathon symbol. However, despite this and many other instances of the symbol hidden in the game, Bungie insists that Halo is not a remake/prequal to Marathon, but a standalone project that contains many of the same basic elements. Because of their similarities, they hid Easter eggs for fans to find. This seems a lot like Steven King and all the books he wrote: they all may (or may not) exist in the same or intersecting worlds, and it becomes canon only when King himself connects them in a story (Read the Gunslinger Saga. In a Forward or Author's Note, he mentions always having wanted to wright his own epic, like Tolkien's LOTR. He mentions being scared to do it and putting it off, but he himself acknowledges leaking elements of his epic into other stories. Salems Lot, for example, comes up quite a bit since King drags the preacher into Roland's world, along with the vampires. It's like Bungie is having a similar crisis that King had: connect the worlds, or leave them seperate? With the number of Easter eggs, there are probably going to be a lot of pissed fans if they don't, but if they do, they could be boxing themselves in when it comes to ideas for the story-line. Now that they have created this cultural phenomenon, they don't want to screw it up by forcing it to mesh up with Marathon, so they'll probably just keep telling the "HALO" story, while keeping in the backs of their minds to try not to do anything UNNECASSARY that would prevent it from tie-ing in later... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btmims (talk • contribs) 07:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Unseen characters

Does this apply to him? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh, considering Master Chief is very visible, no. Peptuck (talk) 08:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Actully, it does, he is, by all means, a unseen character for 2 reasons 1: first person limits him to cutscenes and box-art

3: hes under his armor therfor making him an unseen. --68.106.214.77 (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as Wikipedia's article states unseen characters as "...continuing characters — characters who are currently in frequent interaction with the other characters and who influence current story events — who are never directly observed by the audience but are only described by other characters", the Chief meets none of the above criteria. We never see his face, but we do see him in the flesh, as it were. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 00:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

His rank

I do believe that his rank is:

"Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy"

--Crazy Man217 (talk) 21:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Source? Peptuck (talk) 10:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

yes he's navy---the marine ranks are similar to the army, not the navy; only the navy has petty officers. in the marines he would be a sergeant major i believe---but i could be wrong. anyway, in summary, the marines have sergeants, the navy has petty officers, an ancient british navy term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.175.139.245 (talk) 16:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Clarify he's Navy

I think it would be useful to clarify for the Article that he's a member of the Navy, since the vast majority of people seem to think he's in the Marines.

I know for a fact that it is mentioned a few times that the Spartans are under the jurisdiction of the Office of Naval Intelligence, but does anyone have quotes from either the game or the books to directly back it up? I can't remember exactly were I first head the ONI being in charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.11.77 (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Cannot Remove Vandalism

"based off michel jacksom" When I tried to remove it, it did not show up in the code.--Kamikaze14 (talk) 03:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok hitting edit then save seems to have worked. Any idea why it didn't show up in the code?--Kamikaze14 (talk) 03:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Mister Chief

Can we put in a reference of Mister chief in there? --FailureAtDeath (talk) 02:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

It's really not that notable. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 02:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Master Chief's armour

is there a reason why the chief's armour isnt mentioned(type mark iv etc)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob993 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Armor model is mentioned under "Appearances," in the "Fall of Reach" section. Peptuck (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah, but, WHAT THE HELL IS HE? Cyborg, robot, human, half human, what??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.175.139.245 (talk) 16:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

The closest description would probably be cyborg. I think that's what some of the manuals state as well (and the little bestiary in the collector's edition of Halo 3 has a page for the Spartans and, again, I believe calls them cyborgs (it also calls them homo sapiens augeous)). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Read "Fall of Reach" The book explains John's (Master Chief) history from when he was kid to when he becomes the hero he is known in the games. --FailureAtDeath (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

It doesent explain when master chief upgrades from MJOLNIR Mark V armor (Halo:combar evolved) to MJOLNIR Mark VI armor (Halo 2 and 3), and when does the MJOLNIR Mark IV armor stops being active. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.116.95.82 (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Mark IV was swapped out for the Mark V in The Fall of Reach. I believe they swapped out the Mark V armour in First Strike, though I will admit it's been a while since I read that book. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the Master Chief a cyborg-human type? I mean, he was cybernetically-enhanced, as a source says (I forgot which source), but still he's a human, because the cybernetical procedure was performed on him...right? And also, in Halo games 2 and 3, the Master Chief-117 uses MJOLNIR Mark VI armor as standard, but you can gather other types of armor too.--Rollersox (talk) 23:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

If you're talking about the armour you can gather for use in multiplayer, I think that's merely to differentiate between players. Most of the armour looks nothing like any other known armour (barring one which bears a passing resemblance to the Spartan Mark-III armour). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the MJOLNIR Mark-III an old type of MJOLNIR armor created by ONI? I've never really actually heard of it...--Rollersox (talk) 01:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

We actually have no idea what MJOLNIR armour Marks I, II or III were like. The first introduction was Mark IV (I believe) and that was basically the Mark V, just less streamlined (no shields, no AI port, larger fusion reactor). The Spartan-III series (cheap, economy-class Spartans), however, had a weird armour type. Check out the cover to Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The first three MJOLNIR armor types are cheap types of MJOLNIR armor for SPARTAN-III's, right? When I first looked at the cover, I thought they were wearing original MJOLNIR armor types Mark IV or Mark V. I had no idea it was actually MJOLNIR Mark III...maybe ONI or the UNSC ordered up prototypes of the original MJOLNIR Mark IV armor, used for testing in testing fields or other testing assessments. In other words, the Office of Naval Intelligence wanted to create prototypes of the MJOLNIR Mark IV for testing, or possibly ONI wanted to order out the first three Marks to the SPARTAN-IIs, but they were rejected by Dr. Catherine Halsey and so they created more powerful types: the Mark IV? I'm not very sure about this...--Rollersox (talk) 01:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the III series wear MJOLNIR armour. It's been months since I've read it, but I'm pretty sure they have some new type of armour that's fitted with a form of active camoflage. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

So the SPARTAN-IIIs only wear this "active camouflage" armor? Interesting...who was the MJOLNIR armor types I, II, and III for then? The SPARTAN-IIs?--Rollersox (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Got it. The Spartan-IIIs wear Semi-Powered Infiltration (SPI) armour. I've only reread enough of Ghosts to see the name and what it stands for, but I'm fairly certain that instead of a shield, they have active camouflage like the Elite's Special Forces. It's not as effective as that, this being the economy Tesco model, as it simply camouflages them like a chameleon, rather than making them truly invincible. However, it's good enough to throw off most people's aims if they even know the Mark-III is there.

As for the MJOLNIR Marks I, II and III, I'd guess that they were either used for the Spartan Mark Is (standard Marines who all died during testing due to the MJOLNIR armour) or just continual upgrades while the Spartan IIs were growing up. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd think the armor types would be continual upgrades...and also, wasn't Senior Chief Petty Officer Mendez rumored to be a SPARTAN-I?--Rollersox (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. That's a rumour that, to my knowledge, has never been confirmed or denied. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

You've got it all wrong. Marks I, II, and III were all failed powered exoskeletons. Marks IV, V, and VI were all used successfully by SPARTAN-IIs. SPARTAN-Is had no special armor; Sergeant Johnson was a SPARTAN-I. Only one Marine died when testing the Mark IV MJOLNIR. Dr. Halsey then tested the new armor on the Master Chief and it worked, so it was issued to the rest of the SPARTAN-IIs. Most SPARTAN-IIIs wore SPI armor, which can be seen in Ghosts of Onyx. However, some SPARTAN-IIIs wore MJOLNIR armor on Reach, as seen in Halo: Reach. 76.107.217.221 (talk) 02:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Neat fact The Spartan III armor was actully developed by a Spartan II in Ghost of Onix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchief362 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Regardless, the type of armor isn't that important, either to the story or to how people have reacted to the character in real life, thus we don't mention it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify, a cyborg is a human augmented with technology, usually through implants or body part replacements. Therefore, all UNSC personnel are cyborgs by nature of the neural interface implanted in their brain, though Master Chief has more than that, if I remember correctly.136.165.210.43 (talk) 01:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)JMN 18 Nov. 2012

Master Chief's Nationality?

It's obviously a fairly pathetic source, but could it be that the Chief's home planet (Eridanus II) was, for lack of a better term, a British colony? I was playing Halo 3 with the IWHBYD skull active. The level was The Covenant and I was coming back from deactivating the first tower. I think I hit something because the next thing I knew, I turned and span all the way over in the Warthog until I landed on my wheels again. The Marine in the back snarked at me saying something like "You know, we drive on the right side of the road over here." Like I said, pathetic source, but could that actually be a hint? Most of the things I've heard with the IWHBYD skull are simply gibberish and outtakes that weren't serious enough for the actual game. But could Bungie have sneaked that one in on purpose? *prepares for resounding 'no'* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Bungie has a unique sense of humor. I interpret that as a throwaway joke for generic bad driving, and I don't think anything more than that can be read from it. But, yeah, that's too weak of a source to base anything in the article on it. — TKD::{talk} 15:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think so, but it was worth a try just in case it was reliable for some reason. But I wasn't driving badly... I was just... experimenting... with new forms of locomotion... yes... that'll do... --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think that Bungie made the Master Chief's nationality British...You ever heard the style, the low deep growl the Spartans talk in? It has quite a clip of British accent, according to me. I think that the Master Chief-117 is British or at his ancestry at least dates back to somewhere in ancient United Kingdom. Maybe I didn't hear it well, or maybe I am hearing it well. I don't know, but all I know is that I just decided the supersoldier is British.--Rollersox (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Brits growl now? *checks own accent* I suppose... possibly. Oh, yeah, I'm cool now. I sound mildly like the Chief. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

No, seriously. I mean, he just has that small twinge of British accent, and does he growl? I rarely hear him growl in any of the Halo games, although it might just be me growing older every nanosecond...:)--Rollersox (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I can sort of see where you're coming from, but sadly the voice actor is... Californian, I believe (can't be bothered to check). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I mean...never mind...I still think his nationality is British, even though I have no absolute sources.--Rollersox (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, I know what you mean. Darn those sources. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If only Bungie actually said what nationality that the Master Chief is involved in...--Rollersox (talk) 01:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Bungie have a few e-mail addresses on their website. You could ask. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah...like they would notice me out of all the Halo fans.--Rollersox (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Gabe Newell from Valve puts his e-mail address (or one of them anyway) into the commentary of every game Valve make. He gets ten thousand e-mails every time a game is released and, although he may not reply to them, he does read them all. If you ask me, he's a bloody lunatic, but that what makes Valve great, I guess. :P Couldn't hold a candle to BioWare though. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of him sadly...--Rollersox (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

(blinks) You've... never heard of Gabe Newell/Valve (they're pratically interchangable)? Well, you're in luck. You're on Wikipedia. Wikipedians do it with the search bar. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Back on topic... unfortunately, it is as you put it, a pathetic source, especially seeing as the only people who actually know who the Chief is are Dr Halsey and Captain Keyes. Cooper 25 (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and Keyes dies in Combat Evolved and Halsey doesn't seem like the kind of person who offhandedly gives away top-secret information. I'm sure the UNSC would have records *cough cough-Bungie* but again, why would they make it common knowledge?136.165.210.43 (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)JMN 18 Nov. 2012

I wonder if ol' Jhon would like Doctor Who. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchief362 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Number of Surviving Spartans

It's been a while since I've read the books, but this made warning bells ring in my head:

These procedures had substantial risks; only John and thirty-two other Spartans survive.

I thought that they were only the Spartans fit to fight. I thought that others had survived, but with severe disabilities? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Some Spartans died during procedures due to multiple complications. However some survived (severely disabled...i.e. "Fhajad" [correct me if spelling is wrong]). Those that survived, yet were unfit for battle were used as military minds in ONI intelligence or other areas. Some Spartan-II's who failed out of the unit prior to augmentation were used to train Spartan-III's, as written in Eric Nylund's "Halo: Ghosts of Onyx". The remaining Spartans fit for duty either died on Reach (although the book suggests some survived action and bombardment and went on to Onyx, where they were eventually left inside a mini-Dyson-Sphere to live) or went missing, such as the mysterious "Grey Team" (or is it white?...don't know...), who disappeared on a "deep space mission" (mentioned in Ghosts of Onyx and The Fall of Reach). Love and kisses, Sammich.

I know about those, but I was talking about the wording. As you say, more than thirty-three Spartans survive. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought that the Master Chief-117 was the only Spartan alive...didn't all the other die?

P.S. It is "Gray Team," and it contains of Adriana, Mike, and Jay or something.--Rollersox (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

According to the games, John was the only Spartan to survive Reach. According to the books, there are a number of others fighting, joining up with John in First Strike and then splitting up again in Ghosts of Onyx. However, Reach is set before either of those. According to both the games and the books, every active Spartan was on Reach when it was glassed with the exception of the Chief. That's thirty-three. What I was querying was the wording of the above quote. Other Spartans do survive but, as Sammich says, were left severely disabled by the procedures. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

So...as you're saying, the remaining Spartans that were alive were severely disabled by the procedures, and they didn't die? I thought since Reach was glassed, most of the disabled Spartans were killed, right? In First Strike, Spartans joined up with the Master Chief, but it said most of them died trying to get back to Earth or something like that. Just to make sure.--Rollersox (talk) 22:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless we have a source saying the disabled Spartans were actually on Reach when it was glassed, that's original research. Peptuck (talk) 23:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

But later on in the First and Second Battles of Earth in the Human-Covenant War, the Master Chief was the only official Spartan left, correct?--Rollersox (talk) 23:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Nope! And yes, I suppose. According to the games, the primary source of Canon information, the Chief is the final remaining Spartan. According to the books (even in Ghosts of Onyx), there are quite a few Spartans remaining, both disabled and able Spartan IIs and a few Mark-IIIs as well. If Halo: Reach contradicts any information that the books have given, then we should base Canon on that as it's the primary source. Then again, technically, the games have already contradicted the books. Every manual lists the Chief as the only remaining Spartan... my brain hurts. Regardless, I'm fairly sure that the ONI Spartans would be split up. As humanity's key military site, some would undoubtedly be holed away on Reach somewhere, but some might be on Earth, Mars, deep space, who knows. As they weren't able to actively help the Spartans' mission (kidnap a Prophet), I see no reason why they should be recalled to Reach. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking there might be more Spartans than only the Master Chief, but they're still listed as KIA (or more accurately, as seen in a Halo novel, listed as "MIA"), because the UNSC and ONI presume the man's dead, right? I'm getting very mixed up here. In Halo 3, there was this summary paragraph thing that technically said that the Master Chief was the only one left of the SPARTAN project, right? But in the Halo novels, they were actually different...oh what the heck. I am totally mixed up...--Rollersox (talk) 01:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

← The books stated that, even if the Spartans are proven to be dead, they're listed as MIA. It's propaganda to increase morale. After all, if the Spartans can die, what chance do regular Marines have? And have no fear, because I get mixed up also. I'm a fanfiction writer. I have to work my way through the mess Bungie have left behind them and try and come up with plausible theories for all the plotholes. It's hell. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry...I also write Halo fanfiction stories :P, although I'm not all that good. I still believe that SPARTAN-117, the Master Chief, John, is still the only Spartan left...surprising anyway...I thought Spartans were supposed to be "The Invincible Ones" or something like that.--Rollersox (talk) 01:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Invincible Spartans are the propaganda the UNSC is trying to spew out. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...well I still think they're quite strong, even if they aren't invincible.--Rollersox (talk) 01:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, duh? :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Is the Master Chief ever going to be played/seen again after the game Halo 3?--Rollersox (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd guess either at the very end of ODST (landing on Earth) or at some point in Reach, but then, I'm not a Bungie staff member, so my opinion counts for naught. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, quite true. Although I wish he would, I doubt he'll ever be seen again, sadly.--Rollersox (talk) 00:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It all depends on the voice actor, I suppose. After all, the guy doesn't actually like games. Epic win by Bungie to convince him to voice one? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The reason every game manual states that the Chief is the only Spartan-II left is that he is thought to be, at that particular point in time. Halo: Combat Evolved is set just after Reach is invaded, so naturally everyone assumes that nobody on the surface survived. It is not until some time later that the Chief returns to Reach and escapes with the few survivors and, yes, some Spartans. As for Halos 2 and 3, they are set some time after Dr Halsey and the other Spartan IIs and IIIs become trapped in the Dyson Sphere, thus they too are MIA. Cooper 25 (talk) 18:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

UGO's top 100 list of heroes of all time

¿Why is it that its only mentioned that the Chief appears in IGN's list of overrated video game characters when he also was in UGO's list of heroes? that's not fair. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 16:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC))

It has now been added. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 16:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Video game mascot

Put the Master chief in the category Video game mascots. Because he is the mascot of xbox.

Space Assault Rifle

Since the Space Assault Rifle (don't know if that's its actual name) is part of the Master Chief's image, does anyone think they can put it in there without destroying the article's "featured-ness"? Some pics of it would be nice... -Germpolice

New threads go at the bottom. Also, the MA5B (or MA5C for Halo 3 and ODST) isn't really notable. It's a gun. It shoots things. Name any gun in a first-person shooter which is different. Yes, the Chief is rarely seen without an MA5, but it's just not notable enough. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Especially considering that in one of the games, Halo 2, the Assault Rifle(there is no "Space") wasn't featured at all. They outright replaced it with the Battle Rifle. TJFadness (talk) 06:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the BR wasn't a replacement for the AR so much as the SMG was, going by similarity of functionality. However, the end result (the Assault Rifle was not in Halo 2) is the same.136.165.210.43 (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)JMN 18 Nov. 2012

The Master Chief in Halo Legends

In The Package, the Chief is one of the protagonists voiced by a different guy, please add that. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

Source? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 14:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I just saw The Package. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

(shrugs) I haven't. Is it in the credits or just personal opinion? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

He has 117 on his armor and is called Master Chief and John in the history. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

O.o What's that got to do with the voice actor? Is the voice actor mentioned to be different in the credits? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

No it's just that he sounds different from steve downes, calm down man. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

I am calm, merely confused. I think you got a bit confused as to what I meant and then confused me with an answer that made no sense to me. No matter. If it's personal opinion, then it's not suitable for Wikipedia. If it's in the credits, it is. I've seen heard and seen actors sound/look entirely different from one film to the next, so personal opinion is even less trustworthy in this case than usual. Sorry. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not a personal opinion! at least you should have cared to watch the package in halo waypoint previous saturday, search for it, then you won't think it's a personal opinion. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

← I have no Live connection, so that's impossible. Secondly, if it's not listed in the credits, I can't think of any way it's not personal opinion. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Halo Legends doesn't have credits, it's not a personal opinion. That was the Master Chief, I'm pretty sure anyone that saw the skit saw MC in it, and everyone that cares to contribute to the page would have no problem with that. I would prefer to talk to someone who did saw the skit. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

Very well. I'll agree that it is the Chief, but I won't agree with your assesment of a different voice actor: "I've seen heard and seen actors sound/look entirely different from one film to the next..." Without credits, the only sources would be the usual: CVG, IGN, Bungie etc. Others will agree with me, I'm afraid. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait until the DVD is released just for the sake of having citable sources.Dibol (talk) 03:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind if it is a different voice actor or not, I just thought that was missing information, I'm going to add the information since it seems we came to an agreement. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

Doomguy

I think it should be noted at least that the Master Chief is likely based on the Doomguy. The green armor, the classic assault rifle and the standalone running into danger says it all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.108.30 (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed; it looks like the DOOM marine, and "while other publications have stated that this attribute allows players to better assume the role of the Master Chief" noted in the article is something John Romero specifically said about the DOOM marine, particularly due to its lack of a name (and MC similarly lacks a name), while "Michael Nitsche of the Georgia Institute of Technology found similarity to Gordon Freeman, the protagonist of Valve Corporation's Half-Life series of FPS video games: "[Both characters] are the independent, individualistic, and often lonely heroes that gain admiration by constantly proving their superiority ... in technology-driven, hostile, often closed spaces'" can again be surmised by the DOOM marine's situation and role. Keep in mind Halo was a product selected for a Microsoft system, and previously MS had shown interest in DOOM, with their Doom95 and with Gates talking about it while being "in the game" (which explores the "it's you" concept used for the DOOM guy and then applied to the Halo character.) Who is like God? (talk) 17:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

In a word, NO.

Master Chief has nothing whatsoever to do with Doomguy, and is clearly based upon the cybernetic soldier character role assumed by the player in Bungie's earlier [Mac only] FPS's _Marathon_ & _Marathon 2_. Since Marathon was in development co-temporally with Doom, only with an actual storyline [which would of course require more development time], it is quite simple to disprove that "Doomguy" hypothesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.200.103.42 (talk) 03:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

John 117's survival

Does John ever get found after the beacon signal is put out by Cortana? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrthStarkiller (talk • contribs)

Short answer: it's unknown. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh he survives check out the halo 4 teaser its f*****g amazing.The 33rd (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Name

Why is this called master chief and not John 117? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.225.226 (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Master Chief SPARTAN-117 is subsequently named "Master Chief," or as in novels, "The Master Chief," because of his rank: Master Chief Petty Officer. Hope it helps.Rollersox (talk) 03:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

i know this topic is dead but i do not want to recreate it to add new info for the most common question asked in MP Halo.

I would like to add that nobody but Dr.Hasley and the spartans knew each others name and that not a single other person knows his name so they just call him by rank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchief362 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Spartan 117 is master chiefs offical designation, all spartans were created and treated simply as military assets. due to close personal ties with the projects creator Dr Halsey we learn his real name is John. A name only used by a few very close people to Spartan 117. Due to the nature of Spartans being Highly classified at the start of the war a nuetral call sign was needed for spartans. spartan 117 adopted the call of master chief in recognition of his ideal rank amongst a spartan task force. as such most people know of his as chief or master chief than anything else. however he does refer to himself in several calls for help in Halo4 as UNSC Spartan 117 foward onto dawn (UNSC is service, then asset name, then ship serving)152.91.9.153 (talk) 20:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Halo: Reach

Just added Chief's easter egg appearance in Halo: Reach with citation 77.100.81.235 (talk) 16:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed. Ripten is not a reliable source. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

The Halo in parentheses should be italicized. JFKmafiaInc (talk) 13:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC) You should also put the category fictional sword fightes because the Chief is a master at the energy sword.

Age

Should his age be mentioned,cause he is 46(45 due to being in hibernation).~(74.163.16.27)~-Tailsman67 of Sonic News Network and others — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.213 (talk) 23:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The article includes his birthdate in 2511, and though I don't think this article specifcally mentions it, the Human-Covenant War began on Harvest in 2552 (can't remember source) and Combat Evolved is only a few years later (somewhere around 5, I think). I think the books all include the years of their settings relatively early on, and Waypoint and the things in Halo Wars would provide a more accurate dating system. From these, you could deduce his age throughout the series, which I believe lasts several years, since in Halo 4 one of the plot elements is that Cortana has been in service for eight years (Reach-Halo 3 approximately 4 years then, as she also says Chief has been sleeping for over 4 years), so one specific number would be inaccurate. 136.165.210.43 (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)JMN 18 Nov. 2012 U.S. Eastern Time

Move Request

I request that this page be moved to John-117. I'll move it in around a day or two if the move wins. Mchcopl (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:NAME, "Master Chief" is the most common and recognizeable name. John might be the character's actual name, but all the sources universally refer to him as the Chief. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 22:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Halo 4 Release Update

Due to the release of Halo 4, some of the information in this article is no longer accurate (e.g. " the Master Chief never speaks during player-controlled gameplay" under Attributes: Personality, lines 2-3 of first paragraph: there are several parts of Halo 4 wherein Chief and Cortana converse, frequently with a small animation of some sort in the top-left corner of the screen, all while the player retains full control of movement). Also, Halo 4 shows a much clearer picture of the Chief's personality-focused, dedicated, loyal, humble, and too d*** busy saving the galaxy and those he is loyal to to think about human nature and thus become cynical. In short, they made a near-perfect hero.136.165.210.43 (talk) 02:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)JMN 18 Nov. 2012

You forgot to write who CREATED the character

--Niemti (talk) 15:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

the master chief is not a clone as erroneously stated in the analysis subsection. The master chief was replaced as a child with a flash clone which later died. Sourced by the fall of reach novel and anyone who has covered the mythos of the halo universe knows that one of the problems with the Spartan ii's is thier kidnapping as children And subsesquent curiosity about thier own origns/ childhoods.

174.225.129.9 (talk) 02:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Done The article was internally inconsistent, so I removed the text you pointed out. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2015

Add "| liveactor = Daniel Cudmore (Forward Unto Dawn)" to the infobox. 68.37.227.226 (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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Master Chief! Opening lead second paragraph

Green colored should just be green. We know its green and that green is a colored. Its a double positive saying same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.69.250 (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request

The first very first section should be edited to reflect appropriate rank, "MCPON" is incorrect. It should be Master Chief Petty Officer, not Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, as is stated. There is only one MCPON in the Navy, and it is an office job.

I'm inclined to leave this as is. A Google search shows some pictures with rank insignia that make his rank MCPON. What the rank entails in the U.S. Navy is irrelevant to this article. That said, it is an in-universe thing that I can't really find any citable sources for, so I'll leave this open for now - if anyone feels differently, feel free to make the change (though I'd rather have it removed entirely than change it to another in-universe thing). ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Agree that MCPO is the rank in the real world, but this is an article about a pretend person who runs around space shooting aliens with lasers, I don't think rank accuracy is a particular concern of the game's creators. Fish+Karate 13:13, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I literally signed up to Wikipedia after I took to twitter to get an answer on this. Frank O'Connor clarified that he is NOT the MCPON but just a standard MCPO (E-9 equivalent). The MCPON in the Halo universe then, according to Mr.O'Connor, is like the MCPON of the U.S. Navy. He also went ahead and added that John was also qualified for that position, which is a fun little tidbit. Apparently the new Spartan Handbook also talks about ranks in this universe at length, but O'Connor is about as close to the horses's mouth as you can get on Halo universe matters (He wrote multiple stories in universe[canon], and is a community/content manager guy)! For the sake of accuracy, I'd like to request someone reconsider this, especially since it's the first thing you see on the page.User:Dlobok —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the check-in Dlobok, and welcome to Wikipedia. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 14:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Add Halo: FTR to "Other Appearences" Section

Master Chief is on the Halo: Fireteam Raven cabinet, in the gameplay demos, and actually appears in some of the gameplay

References

References for expansion

• https://wccftech.com/343i-halo-5-mistake-master-chief/

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Picture

Can we please replace the current front image with a different armour design? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbob99 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

The problem is copyright. Better images would be under copyright protection and thus forbidden. David notMD (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Infobox fields

I've removed the in-universe details from the infobox, as well as some blatantly incorrect information (Nylund played a large role in forming the character of Master Chief, but he is not the sole creator.) First off, none of this content is sourced; secondly, none of it demonstrates notability or why it is crucial to Wikipedia's use as a general-purpose encyclopedia and is undue coverage. The various names given to the Chief aren't so important that they need to be the first things readers skim; likewise, his precise height or place of origin aren't heavily discussed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 19:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-Protection Proposal October 14th 2020

I think we should protect this page as multiple IP Address users (142.118.190.240 and 75.157.32.162) are adding nonsense stuff to this article. OptXSolo (talk) 01:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)