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This marks the second attempt by the same editor to prominently insert Buckley and his Guinness World Record title into this article's lead. Therefore, a review of MOS:LEAD is in order. The subject of this article is Griffin, not Buckley. The lead should present a concise overview of the most important fact about Griffin, rather than details about Buckley, who holds only minor relevance to this article.
This repeated inappropriate insertion into this article’s lead raises concerns that this editor is attempting to get Buckley into prominence in Wikipedia since the submission of the draft of Buckley’s article by this same editor was rejected on 17 July 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Henry_Buckley_(American_Jurist)
I am mindful of WP:AGF but the edit summary “He is something of a local celebrity and I know a good deal about him, despite not knowing him personally” indicates a need for the editor to review WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:NOR.
As for the Guinness World Records (GWR) title placement and criticism, Griffin became a judge and presided over civil and criminal cases at the age of 17. His achievement received significant coverage from reliable, independent sources, separate from the "world’s youngest judge" title awarded by GWR, which came years after his judicial career. Therefore, the GWR title is presented in the article as a minor or secondary detail near the conclusion of the article.
GWR has faced criticism for its verification process which can sometimes be inconsistent. While some achievement records are meticulously documented and scrutinized, others lack transparency or follow less stringent guidelines. https://pawebpage.com/2252/archive/guinness-world-records-from-faithful-to-fraudulent/ Thus, the award of a world record title by GWR is not the determining factor in establishing the fact. The criticism of GWR’s award to Buckley is not “unnecessary, irrelevant rhetoric” and should remain in the article, given the change of the award's attribution from Griffin to Buckley.Judgehistorian (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
