Talk:Maggie Rogers (White House maid)

new lemma 'Maggie Rogers (housemaid)' ?

No article about the singer/songwriter 'Maggie Rogers'  ? What about renaming the lemma ? --Neun-x (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 2 May 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below, with Maggie Rogers (White House maid) enjoying the most significant support. There is no clear consensus on whether to move the singer's page here, although it appears that there may be grounds for doing so; thus, redirecting Maggie Rogers to Margaret Rogers for the time being. This has the added advantage of giving us time to fix ambiguous links to Maggie Rogers before any subsequent moves. If necessary, please consider proposing a move from Maggie Rogers (singer) to Maggie Rogers in a separate request at any time. Dekimasuよ! 19:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Maggie Rogers → Maggie Rogers (housemaid) – Per WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC. This page gets about 10 daily views; Maggie Rogers (singer) gets about 250 daily views. The base name should be a disambiguation page. 153.174.19.146 (talk) 01:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nomination [an argument may be made for the form Maggie Rogers (White House maid)] and suggest that, rather than creating a Maggie Rogers disambiguation page, since both the housemaid and the singer are named "Margaret", they should be added to the entries listed at the Margaret Rogers dab page, where the housemaid is already listed. Maggie Rogers would then redirect to Margaret Rogers.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support. No clear primary topic. And redirect to Margaret Rogers as suggested. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support proposed move, oppose directing to Margaret Rogers. There is no indication that anyone besides the two people in question ever goes by Maggie. The page views in this WP:TWODABS situation (25x!) indicate a clear primary topic. I'm not sure why we would redirect people looking for one name to a list mostly of people who have never gone by that name and would not be reasonable targets for a search.--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Combining of given name forms is standard and is practiced on a majority of disambiguation pages, such as Fred Smith, which states at the top, "Fred, Frederic, or Frederick Smith may refer to:".    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but those are cases where there are plenty of people who would go by Fred Smith. Not sure why we would intentionally send users to a page made up of people who do not go by this name when there are only two, a TWODABS situation, and when the stats already show a clear primary topic? Disambiguation is meant to aid readers in finding the page they are looking for, not bureaucratically slog them through a trip.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

The current proposal is to add a qualifier to the White House's Maggie Rogers and to either create a standalone Maggie Rogers disambiguation page or to combine all named "Maggie Rogers" with all named "Margaret Rogers" at the Margaret Rogers dab page. There is no advantage to creating a separate Maggie Rogers dab page since the total number of entries at both "Maggie" and "Margaret" is relatively small and both Maggies are named "Margaret". As far as choosing a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is concerned, votes have already been cast here and that should be decided by a separate RM.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

No one is proposing creating a separate disambiguation page for Maggie Rogers? There are only two topics that anyone searching the term could want, with one as a primary, so there's an easy solution. Can you explain why we would possibly want to send these readers to a list made up mostly of terms they could not be looking for, in this case? And your final sentence doesn't make any sense -- this is the exact forum where we are already discussing a primary topic (indeed, you are proposing to change the current primary topic).--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

To quote from the nomination: "Maggie Rogers → Maggie Rogers (housemaid) – Per WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC...... The base name should be a disambiguation page". Two "Support" votes have been cast based upon that nomination, with no mention of choosing a primary topic. As for sending "readers to a list made up mostly of terms they could not be looking for", it is for the same reason that we send someone searching for "Fredric Smith" or "Frederick Smith" to the Fred Smith dab page even though he or she is not searching for a "Fred Smith".    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• Maggie Rogers (singer) is the clear WP:Primary topic for "Maggie Rogers" (or even for "Margaret Rogers" if you include the two articles for Margaret Rogers)[1]. This article should be moved to Maggie Rogers (maid) or Maggie Rogers (White House maid) (with the proposed title as a third choice) and the singer moved here. Otherwise, readers are better off with things as they are, a hatnote from this article in a WP:TWODABS situation. Station1 (talk) 22:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
• Move to Maggie Rogers (White House maid), redirect to Margaret Rogers per Roman Spinner. -- Netoholic @ 04:50, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support Maggie Rogers (White House maid); move the singer to Maggie Rogers as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in a WP:TWODABS situation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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