Talk:Louise of Orléans

Marie-Louise

Marie-Louise not Louise-Marie. The first form is the correct form. --AndreaMimi (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Charles 05:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

For example this book here, a German Book, Helga Thoma "Ungeliebte Königinnen", Piper Verlag 2006. There are some biographies of Queens or Crownprincess like Stephanie from Austria. Her paternal Grandmother was Marie-Louise, the second wife from Leopold I. of Belgium. --AndreaMimi (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Title incorrect

The name is Louise-Marie d'Orléans, NOT Marie-Louise of France. The d'Orléans family was never called *de* France or *of* France, even after Louis-Philippe I became King of the French. I plan on moving the article to Louise-Marie d'Orléans & correct the name(s) throughout the article. Frania W. (talk) 13:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Louise-Marie of Orleans!!!

Nobody bothered to check the names? E.g. with the Belgian royals themselves? Check http://www.monarchie.be/en/monarchy/genealogy/index.html Do remind there have been many many princesses that only diver from eachother in subtle differences. And I'm sorry for Frania: the French d' may be translated with ' of' as the Belgian Royals do themselves to!!! The title in the Dutch Wikipedia: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_van_Orl%C3%A9ans_%281812-1850%29 The title in the French Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans For translations: van=d'=of and these words may be translated in a title --Eezie (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I could not get it right and put a Help message on the administrators page: I could only make Louise-Marie de Orléans. Try Louise-Marie of Orléans or even Louise-Marie d'Orléans and you get redirects, and I cannot change of remove those pages. Furthermore there is a wrong Queen Louise-Marie d'Orléans. A very good redirect page Louise-Marie, but here she is only mentioned as Louise-Marie of France (1812-1850), French princess. There is also a redirect Marie-Louise of France that is unnecessary, and can be removed. For short: it is a mess. And a good administrator is needed to change it to the correct names/ sort it out/ stop the loop. --Eezie (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Eezie,

The text, highlighted in red, that comes up when trying to move is: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

The reason it is impossible to move Louise-Marie of Orléans to Louise-Marie d'Orléans is because the title is already taken by herself (!) in Wikimedia Gallery Category

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans

The only way to move her to the title we want is to request a change in the title at Wikimedia Commons to "Princess Louis-Marie d'Orléans", which would set free "Louise-Marie d'Orléans" for use here.

Regards, Frania W. (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry Frania. But I absolutely do NOT want the d'Orléans version. As I consider that the wrong name for an English Wikipedia. Here above I gave sources to back that up. Furthermore I asked an administrator to fick it. Which someone did. Thanx for that.--Eezie (talk) 22:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Name & title

• Name: The article begins as follows:

"Louise Marie Thérèse Charlotte Isabelle d'Orléans, called Louise of France..."

Who has ever called her Louise of France or Louise de France. The children of Louis Philippe I, King of the French, were never "de France" or "of France", they all were "d'Orléans".

• Title:

1. Born in 1812, at the time of Napoléon's Empire, she could not be a "princesse de France" (a title that never existed, except in title-giving en:wiki) and that did not exist in Napoléon's time when the title of a princess (given to the new ones, i.e. belonging to the House of Bonaparte) was "princesse impériale",

2. At the time of the Bourbon Restoration, Louise d'Orléans & all members of the old Bourbon royal family recovered the titles they held under the Ancien Régime, which made them "princes & princesses du sang" (never "de France").

3. On 13 August 1830, Louis-Philippe I, King of the French, her father, signed an ordinance in which he declared that the surname of his family was, as before & always, "d'Orléans", and that the only title his daughters & aunt were to have was "princesse d'Orléans" (not "de France").

Ordonnance of 13 August 1830 :

LOUIS PHILIPPE ROI DES FRANÇAIS, à tous présens et à venir, salut.

Notre avènement à la couronne ayant rendu nécessaire de déterminer les noms et les titres que devaient porter à l'avenir les princes et princesses nos enfans, ainsi que notre bien-aimée sœur,

Nous avons ordonné et ordonnons ce qui suit :

Les princes et princesses nos bien-aimés enfans, ainsi que notre bien-aimée sœur, continueront à porter le nom et les armes d'Orléans.

Notre bien-aimé fils aîné, le duc de Chartres, portera, comme prince royal, le titre de duc d'Orléans.

Nos bien-aimés fils puînés conserveront les titres qu'ils ont portés jusqu'à ce jour.

Nos bien-aimées filles et notre bien-aimée sœur ne porteront d'autre titre que celui de princesses d'Orléans, en se distinguant entre elles par leurs prénoms.

Il sera fait, en conséquence, sur les registres de l'état civil de la Maison royale, dans les archives de la Chambre des Pairs, toutes les rectifications qui résultent des dispositions ci-dessus [...]

So why does en:wiki insist on giving non-existing names & titles to the Orléans family members?

Whenever the subject comes up, I always get the answer (as above in the previous section) "This is English Wikipedia". It may be, but does it give English Wikipedia the right to be wrong thus spreading false information?

--Frania W. (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)