Talk:Long COVID

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Fritzmann2002 talk 12:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that virus can remain in the body after a COVID infection, which is hypothesised to contribute to long COVID? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01601-2
  • ALT1: ... that 6% of the US population has symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or more? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/
  • ALT2: ... that long COVID for people who meet the criteria for ME/CFS may be lifelong? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839201/
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  • Comment: I think this is my 4th DYK, so no review is necessary yet.

Improved to Good Article status by Femke (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long COVID; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good article, well sourced and reads well. Only 4 prior DYKs, so no QPQ needed. Passed earwig test. ALT1 is the most interesting, but I think it should give a time period for the 6% - my read of the source is that it is referring to June 2023? Onceinawhile (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

The number has stayed constant between January and June this year, so I think a present tense is justifiable for catchiness. No objection against the following however:

• ALT1b: ... that 6% of the US population had symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or longer in June 2023? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/
• ALT1c: ... that 6% of the US population had symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or longer in the first half of 2023? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Onceinawhile: Have the above comments been addressed? Z1720 (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

ALT1c is good to go! Onceinawhile (talk) 22:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Why are meta analyses of Long COVID occurrence numbers not used?

Many meta analyses show percentages of Long COVID occurrences between 40-60%. A number of articles that show this follow: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.28852

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2023&q=long+covid+meta+analysis+53%25&hl=en&as_sdt=0,33#d=gs_qabs&t=1705597295443&u=%23p%3Dp1T7hSz7wDsJ

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01614-7 66.24.53.87 (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Longhauler Contributor - Vision Loss still not listed as a symptom

I posted in the talk section back in March 12, 2022 suggesting vision loss being a symptom of long covid (due to personal experience going from 20/20 pre to 20/25 now 20/30 post). Due to my inexperience with the website, it was merely for awareness purposes in the hopes a more experienced contributor would be able to find evidence resulting in it being added as a symptom. I still sadly see loss of vision is not listed as a symptom.

I stated it was neuro in that old post (it may be, demyelinating initiation post-covid has been shown), but the findings provided in this post state its likely auto-antibodies or damage to microvasculature in the eye. Regardless of the mechanism, loss of vision (with a simple google search) is a well established byproduct post-covid infection and a significant life altering symptom that should be listed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8465265/ https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/12/30/bc-007-berlin-cures-long-covid-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/

Small Blood Vessels in the Eyes Affected Berlin Cures believes the drug is soaking up autoantibodies that are interfering with the microcirculation. Led by Dr. Hohberger, researchers have determined that blood flows to the eyes in COVID-19 and long COVID are diminished even in patients without any visual problems. They’ve even been able to identify the most impacted microvascular layer in the retina that’s been affected. They reported: “These results argue for a critical impairment of retinal microcirculation after COVID-19 infection, accented in the ICP, yet affecting additional adjacent microvascular layers after even worse COVID-19 infections.” As others have, they proposed that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus’s entry via the ACE-2 receptor into the endothelial cells was causing the problem – and they cited sepsis as a possible model. As the virus entered the cells, it sparked a hypercoagulation response which produced microclots. They also hypothesized that the capillary damage they’d seen in the eyes simply reflected a massive disruption of the small blood vessels across the body. “We hypothesize that the severity of capillary impairment after COVID-19 infection is mapped on retinal microcirculation.”

It does state that they think its not causing vision impairment, but I can assure you as living proof, I had perfect vision prior to covid, and one day woke up with near-sightedness and the need to wear glasses as a young, physically fit individual. I also now have degradation as initially after covid my eyes were -0.25 and are now -0.75 which could explain the auto-antibody aspect.

I am not telling you to add it based off my sources and personal experience, but would like someone who is committed to editing this article to take a full dive into the vision loss aspect. If enough evidence is presented, please add it as a symptom, because I know one day it will be very apparent that long covid (and maybe post viral illnesses) will clearly show this with whatever mechanism is to blame.

If you are unable to do this, please let me know on my own talk page of how I can properly contribute to getting it added here in terms of proper sourcing and wiki talk expectations (new and unfamiliar with wikipedia contributing). Unknowndust (talk) 03:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that I just don't see enough reliable sources to add it. Your HealthRising.org link even says the problems found, thus far, are mostly “subclinical”; i.e. not causing impairments in vision. And the linked study says The results suggested that COVID-19-related retinal microvasculopathy is a significant ocular manifestation of COVID-19 and may herald future retinal complications (emphasis mine).

There's just not enough studies out there yet to support adding this to the article. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 12:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)