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Merger proposal

I propose that Llangammarch be merged into Llangammarch Wells. The Llangammarch article appears to have been written about an ecclesiastical parish, but the church parish (now) covering Llangammarch Wells is Irfon Valley. I believe it is possible the civil parish may have been called Llangammarch prior to 1974, but nowadays it uses the Welsh spelling Llangamarch. Without evidence of its existence or notability it seems far more sensible and useful to redirect Llangammarch to Llangammarch Wells. Sionk (talk) 09:06, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

No objections. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not keen on this as the parish of Llangammarch was a historical eclesiastical parish and is recorded as such in the History of Brecknock by Theophilus Jones (himself a native of that parish) in 1809 and referred to in it's description as "Llangamarch or Llangammarch". This work was enlarged and rupublished in 1909. Originally the parish consisted of Llangammarch itself and annexed perpetual curacies of Llanwrtyd and Llandewi-Abergwessin until Llanwrtyd became a parish in it's own right separate in 1870. Hence I believe the evidence is there of the historical eclesiastical parish... but I should probably put most of this in the article rather than here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anotheran (talk • contribs) 17:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, sounds good Suedragon (talk) 20:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, at least some published proof of its existence would help. Presumably the Llangammarch article would need rewriting in the past tense. And it could do with disambiguating to Llangammarch (parish). Sionk (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Considering someone had re-written the church parish article (again) to be about the post-1974 community, I've renamed the article Llangammarch (parish) and changed the target of the (new) Llangammarch redirect to Llangammarch Wells.

As for the community article (currently missing), that could be created at Llangamarch (the official name/spelling) or maybe even Llangamarch (community) to save yet more confusion. Sionk (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

A couple of points:

1. A bit late, but I have added merge tags to the two articles, following WP:MERGING.

2. WP has very few separate articles on church parishes. In almost all cases the history of an ecclesiastical parish is discussed in the article on the principal settlement of the parish (or in the article on the place which gave the parish its name). That happens even if the ancient parish was much larger than the settlement or the modern civil parish or community - as was common in Wales and northern England. I cannot see a good reason for an exception in this case, so I would support the merger. On the spelling, see the discussion here.--Mhockey (talk) 19:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

References

There's no real need to add the merger templates back again. The merger discussion seemed to have run its course. Do a BOLD merge if you want. The discussion here was three to one in favour. My moving of the article to Llangammarch (parish) was a bit of an ughly compromise. Sionk (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2019 (UTC)