Talk:List of films based on DC Comics publications

Batman Azteca

Why has Batman Azteca vanished from the animated films section? It is still happening isn’t it? In September they released first looks and stuff. Anonypedia69 (talk) 21:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't recall it ever being listed here (I had never even heard of it until just now), but at a glance it looks like it doesn't have a release date yet? It was announced a few months ago and they only announced the voice actor for Batman last week so it's probably still in pre-production. ShyKen (talk) 23:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The film is now called Aztec Batman: The Clash of Empires. Still not on here. Anonypedia69 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, and...? Still doesn't have a release window.

I don't know when exactly the right time to list an animated film here is since it's harder to define when exactly production has officially started, but it feels pretty silly to even be talking about it when we don't even have a vague idea of when it might actually exist. Especially since we regularly remove live action films that *do* have confirmed release dates because it's too early. ShyKen (talk) 04:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Return to the batcave: Misadventure of Adam and Burt

Guys, why is there no sign of "Return to the batcave: Misadventure of Adam and Burt" at all in this page? I mean is there something wrong about it? Hosein Fitz (talk) 13:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

And there is no "The Spirit" while https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(comics_character) this page says it was published by DC Comics. Hosein Fitz (talk) 13:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I could be mistaken but at a glance it looks like while The Spirit was briefly introduced to the DC Universe and had some comics published by them, it was more of a crossover type thing than an official addition to the canon. As far as I can tell DC never actually owned the character or anything (their more recent comics were published by other publishers), and they had no involvement in the 2008 film (it also looks like the film was in the works before the DC comics crossovers). So I don't think it makes sense to consider that a film based on a DC Comic. ShyKen (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Return to the Batcave is considered a TV Special, which are generally listed on List of television series based on DC Comics publications rather than here ShyKen (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh right, thank you🤕❤ Hosein Fitz (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Short films

Should any DC Natuon short films like Batman Beyond (2014), or Batman: Strange Days be included in animated short films, or do they just count as episodes of DC Nation?

Side note: I know it’s technically a fan film, but I feel like Batman: New Times should be included in animated short films, since it features Adam West and Mark Hamill as Batman and Joker. Anonypedia69 (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Going off the DC Nation Shorts Wikipedia page, it looks like we're considering those episodes of that series.

Personally I am strongly against listing unofficial/fan films here, seems like a bad precedent to set even if the cast is noteworthy. If we do start adding those though they should definitely be in their own section, I think it's important to be able to easily distinguish official and unofficial content. ShyKen (talk) 16:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Another question, should Tank Girl (1995) be added to the vertigo section? Anonypedia69 (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

No, it's based on a British series. The Vertigo limited series was an adaption of the movie. Spanneraol (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Notes on "Set in DCEU" vs "Not set in the DCEU"

I do think we need to alter how we use the note descriptor "Not set in the DCEU", with the creation of a new shared cinematic universe, at least by the time Superman: Legacy begins filming (current set in March 2024, per source: ). Joker and Matt Reeves' The Batman, described as "Not set in the DCEU", would confuse readers, as every DCU James Gunn film will also be "Not set in the DCEU". I plan on creating my own solution using sourced interviews on how James Gunn refers to these films, as part of "DC Elsewords". Feel free to revert my choice, but respond here to further develop this work-in-progress concept. AnthonyN090 (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I think we should remove the "not set in the DCEU" thing from all those films as none of the earlier films have that label... The ones that are definitively connected should be the ones mentioned as being part of it. Also "elseworlds" did not exist when those films came out so it seems silly to include that descriptor. Spanneraol (talk) 17:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources that say that Joker and The Batman are retroactively set in the DC Elseworlds brand, along with their sequels: https://www.cbr.com/the-batman-joker-dc-elseworlds-james-gunn/ AnthonyN090 (talk) 17:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I also think we should include the note for Constantine, as there are reliable sources that state that Keanu Reeves and Francis Lawrence are developing a Constantine 2 with James Gunn producing, as part of DC Elseworlds, but I am willing to wait on adding the note until filming commences on this sequel: AnthonyN090 (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

The simplest and easiest thing to do is label DCEU films as "Set in the DCEU". Label DCU films as "Set in the DCU". Don't label Elseworlds films as "Elseworlds" because they are their own thing, just like The Dark Knight Trilogy is. Joker and Matt Reeves' trilogy are retroactively being labeled as "Elsewords" just so that the DCU can be viewed as the main universe. Joker and The Batman are simply just film series that WB and DC wish to continue but want to differentiate for the masses.

A casual Wikipedia reader would most likely misinterpret the "Elseworlds" banner. Labeling them as "Elsewords" might make it seem that everything under the "Elseworlds" banner takes place in the same continuity. Those readers might mistake Joker and The Batman as taking place in the same universe even though they clearly don't. 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:20FF:8BD0:A68B:75E3 (talk) 21:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Elseworlds is not a useful or necessary descriptor here at all IMO. It's just a branding term for "anything that's not DCU going forward". It's not a single separate universe like the DCEU or the DCU, and saying that things are "set" in it implies that it is. Retroactively tagging things as Elseworlds would also be silly since it's just branding for new content going forward.

Marking all the universe content with what universe it's associated with is the simplest solution going forward. DC's franchises are already all over the place, no need to make it more complicated for readers to understand.

arking all the universe content is the best solution. DC has too much going on for things just be implicit like they were before.

I don't think the Elseworlds descriptor is useful or necessary at all here, Elseworlds is just a branding term for "everything that's not DCU". Saying something is "set" in Elseworlds also implies that it's another universe like the DCEU or the DCU which it is not. ShyKen (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow thanks mobile Wikipedia for absolutely butchering my reply. Oh well ShyKen (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that's fair enough. I wasn't too attached to the idea anyway. I do think, however, the note for "Not set in the DCEU" for Joker and The Batman needs to be changed/reworded once Superman: Legacy begins filming, as the upcoming films in the DCU are also "Not set in the DCEU". So, I do put in a vote to table this discussion, and return once Superman: Legacy starts filming. AnthonyN090 (talk) 22:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Like I stated earlier, the most obvious thing to do is label DCEU films as "Set in the DCEU". When the DCU films are released label the DCU films as "Set in the DCU". There is no confusion in any of those banners/labels and those labels are not unnecessarily complicated. I changed them yesterday and the table was easy to understand without any explanations needed. 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:20FF:8BD0:A68B:75E3 (talk) 00:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

That kind of descriptor "Set in the DCEU" will only be needed once Superman: Legacy begins filming, which will be when we add the film to this page. I agree with your plan, but we should not start it until Superman: Legacy begins filming. AnthonyN090 (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

And also, the intro to the section makes it clear "All films produced by DC Studios, formerly DC Films, along with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, are set in the DC Extended Universe (DCEU) unless otherwise noted. Future installments will be set in the DC Universe (DCU)." The descriptor "Set in the DCEU" will only be needed once films "Set in the DCU" start filming. AnthonyN090 (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that header should go away as it gets confusing... let us just label the DCEU films as set in the DCEU and leave the other films unlabeled. Spanneraol (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I can add that. I don't know if this concept will stick when other editors, who don't read this discussion, revert it. But, I'll give it a whirl. AnthonyN090 (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I've looked at that table a few times before and yesterday was the first time that I noticed the header. I only noticed it once the changes I made to simplify it were reverted. I don't see why we should wait until Superman: Legacy. It looks a bit sloppy as it is right now with the whole "Not set in the DCEU." To have that label for another year and a half just because seems nonsensical 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:20FF:8BD0:A68B:75E3 (talk) 01:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. The table looks a bit more clear. I'm just throwing this out there: Should Nolan's Trilogy be labeled as "Part of The Dark knight Trilogy" and Batman Returns as "Sequel to Batman". Same with the Christopher Reeve Superman sequel films. Should they say "Sequel to the '78 Superman film."? 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:59C5:4EDC:F48A:BF74 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that's really necessary as it is self explanatory in the Superman films as they are labeled 1,2,3,4... let's not over complicate things. Spanneraol (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the response and that is completely understandable. I know people who are casual viewers and initially asked if The Batman takes place before BvS but still wondered why Christian Bale wasn't in BvS. Explaining the different series would have been easier had there been a table ready at hand to show them. Saulutations (talk) 07:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I've looked at that table a few times before and yesterday was the first time that I noticed the header. I only noticed it once the changes I made to simplify it were reverted. I don't see why we should wait until Superman: Legacy. It looks a bit sloppy as it is right now with the whole "Not set in the DCEU." To have that label for another year and a half just because seems nonsensical. 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:20FF:8BD0:A68B:75E3 (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This Wikipedia talk page is new to me and am not sure if I am supposed to reply to the original post or a specific post, so I'll try both.

Like I stated earlier, the most obvious thing to do is label DCEU films as "Set in the DCEU". When the DCU films are released label the DCU films as "Set in the DCU". There is no confusion in any of those banners/labels and those labels are not unnecessarily complicated. I changed them yesterday and the table was easy to understand without any explanations needed. 2600:1700:E7C0:8D90:20FF:8BD0:A68B:75E3 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I might be thinking too far ahead with this, but another consideration here is that there will also eventually be animated movies that are part of the DCU. In that table we will definitely want to explicitly label things because the animated stuff is even more all over the place than the live action stuff in this regard, but it'd be silly to explicitly label them in one table and have it just be implied in another table. ShyKen (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The heading is clear, I can't understand the confussion at this time just for anybody what not saw it before.OscarFercho (talk) 02:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It's less about the heading itself and more just that depending on the heading makes understanding the table a bit more complex than it needs to be. Unlike Marvel, DC will have multiple main live-action universes and lots of content completely outside of those universes. I think it's reasonable to expect a casual reader of this article to skim over the heading and not be aware of the minutae of which films are associated with what. ShyKen (talk) 04:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

A talk of three and a result? Is that true?OscarFercho (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I just created an account but was the one who did the initial change. Why would we prolong something so trivial? A discussion really isn't necessary to change something that was applied/formatted in such an odd way. Three people discussing a change to something soo small should be more than enough to make that change. Saulutations (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

References

why are box office numbers off?

superman 2 did 216 million according to box office mojo the source you guys picked and its own wikipedia page says 190. where is the 108 number coming from? superman 3 is at 80 million for not 50 or whatever. Snowty20000 (talk) 01:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

108 is the domestic number.. It looks all of the Superman sequels (and Supergirl) are not including the worldwide number.. just the North American number. This should be fixed. Spanneraol (talk) 14:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I went ahead and updated the numbers per the current Box Office Mojo listings... I can't figure out how the totals work though as the hidden numbers in the computation thing dont seem to match anything. Spanneraol (talk) 16:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

the box office number looks like they took the box office mojo source and added on the films that came after numbers to create the total, but they took the domestic number and not world wide accidentally for superman sequels. i think its fixed now. Snowty20000 (talk) 03:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)