Talk:List of Sailor Moon characters/Archive 1

Proposed for deletion

My response to finding out about the Moroboshi Takuya article was not to merge it, but to delete it. The character appears in one episode and isn't even notable enough to be a minor character. With nearly 200 monsters-of-the-day, none of which have more than a paragraph of backstory, this kind of thing is totally superfluous. --Masamage 05:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ta. :) - Malkinann 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sailors Titanium Kerokko, Theta and Pewter Fox

They're sera-myu only characters - I reckon they should go into this page, or into Sailor Senshi as examples of variant sailor senshi. - Malkinann 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If anything, I think they should go into the Seramyu article. I don't think anyone is likely to care about them outside the context of the Musicals, if that makes sense. Either way, a consensus needs to be reached about Musicals-only characters; we should list all of them, or none at all.

Actually, the Seramyu article is pretty darn long. Maybe there should be a new article about characters unique to the musicals? That would keep them out of the other articles, where they're likely to just be confusing. --Masamage 02:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Pegasus article

Anyone object to giving Pegasus/Elios his own article? He's definately significant enough for it. If there are no complaints, I'll go ahead with it on September 3rd. --Masamage 22:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I do object. The current text in the article isn't long enough. --Kunzite 03:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay, a response.

I feel like it could be long enough, like there's plenty of character information to justify it. But maybe the correct approach is to make it too long for this article first..? --Masamage 08:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:FICT says: 1 Major and notable minor characters (and places, concepts, etc.) in a work of fiction should be covered within the article on that work of fiction. If an encyclopedic treatment of such a character causes the article on the work itself to become long, then that character can be given a separate article. 2 Non-notable minor characters (and places, concepts, etc.) in a work of fiction should be merged with short descriptions into a "List of characters." This list should reside in the article relating to the work itself, unless either becomes long, in which case a separate article for the list is good practice. The list(s) should contain all characters, races, places, etc. from the work of fiction, with links to those that have their own articles.

This actually came after most of these Sailor Moon articles were created. We also have to pay attention to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). We really need to start sourcing articles with non-primary sources according to WP:RS. --Kunzite 22:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge template has been removed; thanks for your input. And yeah, we definately need references. I've been trying to cite things whenever I can (I (only?) have five manga volumes, the Materials Collection, and the Stars series), or rephrase them and/or stamp "needed" tags on them when I can't. But a lot of that comes along with the cleanup. After we have more of them looking presentable, it'll be much easier to plug in the needed references. --Masamage 00:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I think making an article on Pegasus would be wonderful! He's a large enough character to have an article about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.75.26.40 (talk • contribs)

I agree! So what we need to do now is put so much (encyclopedic) information about him in the list article that he doesn't fit there anymore. :) Right now, all the info we have amounts to a stub, which really won't do. --Masamage 06:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Contents of old Guardian Cosmos talk page

Sprite is a fan term, I believe the official terms is either Guardian or Sailor Guardian. Shouldn't fan terms be purged? I need people to support this. I can dig up the support for the official term. The sprite comes from the often incorrect Tomb of the Unknown Senshi. Also I would say that the Sailor Guardians should be put all on one page and not have Guardian Cosmos alone. (Power Guardian is also a fan term.) --Hitsuji Kinno 19:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• What do you suggest to replace it? Danny Lilithborne 20:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

--Is Power Guardian really a fan term? I was fairly sure that in the fourth manga arc (act 41 of the old version) they call themselves the "Sailor Power Guardians." Can anyone who reads Japanese confirm this? Yumecosmos 03:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Use Colons... Anyhow... Volume 15, Act 41, Page 82 has the term, however, it's in Japanese and English *smirks* I would go for the katakana since the other attacks use the katakana as well, though on the main page the Japanese might be worth noting. Umm... and Ian Miller would say to go with the Japanese, however, Rainbow Honeymoon Therapy Kiss plus a bunch of the other attacks clearly go with the Katakana, NOT the kanji. So this too should conform. セーラーパワーガーヂイアン So the FULL term is Sailor Power Guardian, NOT power Guardian or Sailor Guardian. I should also note that the manga says on that page "Sailor Princess" which might be worth noting on the Sailor Senshi page. However, their titles in the artbook read "Guardian" _heavenly body_ So for example, it wouldn't be Sailor Power Guardian Cosmos, but Guardian Cosmos.. >.<;; Oy, complex. Oh, and the Shinzoubon agrees. (I read the japanese, BTW)--Hitsuji Kinno 17:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of Guardian Cosmos, in context of this section I think it's a little misleading to refer to Chaos as the evil entity that was imprisoned inside Galaxia. Guardian Cosmos only appears in the manga version, and in that version Chaos was not sealed inside Galaxia. (They were just working together.) Could I change this? Yumecosmos 03:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. --Hitsuji Kinno 17:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Helios

He should get his own section. I listed the reasons why in the Pegasus article. Currently the redirects have it so it goes to the God Elios, then it goes back to the Pegasus section which amounts to very, very useless. Pegasus and Helios are separate entities in the manga and there are lines about it, plus the whole Helios v. Elios thing, and details that can't make it into the Pegasus article should be made. Even if the separate article is only for who Elios is in the manga, it still needs to be made. Any objections? Any comments? --Hitsuji Kinno 17:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

They're different in the manga?? O_O --Masamage 21:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought that Pegasus was just Helios' spirit. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 21:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup. They're the same. --Kunzite 23:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I have the exact page number saying they are different and a quote, would you like it? Alex Glover's translations: "'The form you are looking at is an illusion of me,' says Helios. 'My body now is also being changed into a Pegasus by the curse. I am confined to Elysion.'" (Volume 13, Act 38: Venus Dream Page 50-51) I can give it in Japanese too if you doubt his translations. He later says that it was his favorite horse, "'Now,' says Helios. 'You should be returning to the surface. I will take you. With my favorite horse! Pegasus!'

A Pegasus appears, and Helios hops onto its back." (Volume 15 Act 42 Page 130-131) which leads rise to the image of him riding off on Pegasus in Volume 15, Act 42, pages 131, 132, 134, 135. Anyone want to dispute this original manga? It's hard to argue with images. So, yes they are different in the MANGA. In the anime, Elios Willingly takes this form so they are the same, in the manga he's cursed to this form by Nehallenia and they are DIFFERENT. Very, very precarious, ne? If anyopne wants all those page scans ask, and I have them. --Hitsuji Kinno 01:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The heavy realiance of the plot on dreams makes it really hard for me to be sure. I can totally see a dream-figure calling himself his favorite thing and riding off on a shadow of himself. But that's not important, and this is: even if this is true, then Pegasus is completely unimportant outside have been semi-possessed by Helios. So my vote would be to leave the section with both names (since he does go by both), and just explain the difference. --Masamage 05:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

How about expanding and changing the name of the section then? Since Pegasus in both anime and manga is technically secondary to Helios, at least slashing the section (Helios/Pegasus) would make more sense than just Pegasus and then expanding a bit more on the Helios side which is sorely ailing from what I see (I can expand that aspect without going into plot.) The whole aspirated H thing, expanding on the manga romance a little bit (slight mention) etc. I held off because it's pegasus and he's been always treated by manga people as a separate entity, it's only when the anime fans became prevelant that the view of this character changed, as well as the view of the series. The manga reads the Pegasus form as a clear curse. There are no indications of shadows in this v. the anime. The anime is ironically more dream like when it comes to Elysion though there are technically more dreams in the manga from the Senshi. Elios is also explained clearly by his own words. Priest that's never met the former prince of the land, but is interconnected always with a black rose searching for Princess Lady Serenity. So I doubt the shadow theory would fly... most of the illusions dissolve right away in the manga, Pegasus does not. Existing for 4 pages separate from Helios after Nehallenia is gone... I doubt Pegasus is a shadow. (Helios doesn't have much power in the manga, he doesn't lend power at all. He gets people to recognize their own power and realize it through themselves, such as the developing of the Pink Moon Crystal, but he doesn't "give" power, nor really display his own power (willfullness and knowledge, yes, actual ability to focus and give off ki, no) In this he's more like a guide, like a natural priest would be like than the anime where he's a physical magical being.) That would be more like an anime fan view of the manga trying to understand the manga through the anime, when it should be understand the anime through itself and manga through itself. The rules are different so it's impossible to weave them completely together since the rules differ so greatly for each. (It has to do with media limitations, but I won't get into that so much).--Hitsuji Kinno 16:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC) (sorry for the late sig)

I added to the section... But I think it needs some info culling. I added references, but it might be a bit of an overload or formatted badly... so I don't mind someone doing a sweep and culling the info. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Western name order?

Out of corosity, why are their original names listen in western order (With Family name last)Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It's recommended by the manual of style for Japan-related articles; see WP:MOS-JA. --Masamage 03:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

From the Meiji-era until recently, the Monbusho(Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology) dictated that Japanese names should be written in Western order when written in Western letters. Wikipedia adopted this style because it is the one most used in scholarly publications, English-language newspapers in Japan, and many other publications. --Kunzite 03:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Umino and Naru

I know they dated anime side, but I'm pretty sure they didn't date Manga. Also is it worth noting that Naoko said that Umino was her favorite character to draw because he was the easiest to draw (I think she specified time in the video. I can ask a friend for the video in question.) Naoko has also said that he's a bishounen underneath his glasses, which was a previous theme in the Sailor V manga too. Anyway, can anyone confirm the manga match up? --Hitsuji Kinno 10:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything in the manga about the two of them being an item. That's less precise then finding something that specifically says they aren't, though. Kunzite put that tidbit in there right at the beginning, with the inclusion of Naru, though since apparently it was a merging of other articles, who knows. Since this question has been up here for months I'm going to go ahead and just take it out now. Torca 08:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Phobos and Deimos...

Tada! After a bit of copy and paste (mostly from Rei's Article as well as a small bit from Lead Crow) Phobos and Deimos finally have their own section... Now we just need an image... (I gave up class time in VB to do this.. Be happy about it!) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Question about Kenji-papa

I'm pretty sure that in both manga and anime he works as a journalist and photographer; in the episodes related to the Princess of the Diamond Kigdom and Usagi and Mamoru's first kiss, he's assigned to cover the events regarding the Princess' visit to Tokyo. Usagi even begged him to take her along for the ride, but he couldn't since it part of his work.

Still, could someone confirm it and point the exact episodes/manga chapters, please? Wouldn't like to state this claim without a source. Lunamaria 12:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, good catch. Alex Glover's manga translation of Act 4 says, "There's a dinner party at the D Kingdom Embassy. I'm covering it for my magazine." (I think he has a camera around his neck at the time, but I won't be able to check 'til tonight.)

Let's see. Hitoshi Doi's summary of ep. 22 makes it clear he's going for work and is taking pitures, but we'd probably have to know the exact dialogue to make sure that means the same thing. Anyone have...oh wait, it's probably on YouTube.

Yup, it is. "Oh, dad, what's up? Why are you all dressed up?" "I'm going the Diamond Kingdom embassy." "What?! The dinner party? No fair! I wanna get in too!" "Dad's going there as a magazine reporter. It's work. Later! I'll tell you everything when I get back."

Bravo, Lunamaria! :) --Masamage 19:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I believe that, in the manga at least, Kenji Tsukino is a newspaper/magazine editor or editor-in-chief. There's a blurb in Act 29 when he's telling Chibi Usa about Professor Tomoe's background where his exact job title is mentioned. Lunar Archivist (talk) 15:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Just verified it. The aforementioned blurb is from Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon Volume 9, Act 29, Page 23, the French translation of which roughly reads, "Papa's an editor-in-chief, he knows about everything!" Lunar Archivist (talk) 11:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool! But being a reporter is really different from being an editor-in-chief. Maybe he was promoted during the Black Moon arc? :P --Masamage ♫ 18:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the job differences, Masamage. But it's possible that Kenji Tsukino might be asked to serve in different capacities by his superiors depending on the situation. For example, it's unlikely that the Diamond Embassy would invite a random journalist to a fancy dinner party and masquerade ball, but the editor-in-chief of a Japanese newspaper might be a more likely guest and asked to take pictures because no one else from his workplace was allowed to attend. Also, the quote technically says that Usagi's father is "going there as a magazine reporter" not that he actually is one, per se. :) Lunar Archivist (talk) 21:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

True enough. Should we specify that in the article, do you think? Or is the current wording good enough? --Masamage ♫ 07:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fine the way it is. I think the whole situation is ambiguous enough that the article wording works. :) Lunar Archivist (talk) 08:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Image list

Ok this is who we need

• Iruko
• Kenji
• Reika
• Yūichirō
• Rei's Grandpa
• Phobos and Deimos
• Helio's true form.
• Ami's Mother
• Rei's Dad
• Kyuuske
• Momoko (Lets do a compoaste image of both of her apperances since we have a paragraph about the sudden change.

iv got dvds to get some of the images but iv tryed to uplode them to wikipida but it wouldnt let me (saying its not the write file formet or somit i dont under stand tecno bable) sailor cuteness-ready for love 16:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's combine these as much as possible. RattleMan has a really good shot of Usagi's whole family, and I bet we can get Yuuichirou and Grandpa together, too. There's also the problem that some of these characters are so minor the implications scare me. We really can't include random victims-of-the-day like Mikan who don't affect the story; if we do, we have to include all of them, and that's well over a hundred. Scary scary scary. --Masamage 17:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I threw Mikan in cause she appears twice. the only people to be targeted more than once are the senshi themselves, Naru, Reika and Motkai's sister (Her name has slipped my mind). But we can take her if we need Lego3400: The Sage of Time 22:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Reika and Unazuki have the benefit of appearing in the manga as well, and of appearing frequently as non-targets (the latter moreso than the former). I wonder if there's a shot of them with Motoki? :D Probably too much to dream... Anyway, there's a good image of Reika in the Materials Collection if we can't find anything better. --Masamage 22:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of those images, I sent them to you, right? Think any are good enough to upload right now? -- RattleMan 00:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I totally don't remember. X) But yes, I definitely think we should get the image of the Tsukino family (and the one of their house, for the locations article). Do you happen to have any of Gramps and Yuuichirou together? --Masamage 04:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Found 'em! --Masamage 22:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yay! XD -- RattleMan 22:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

In Supers, Irkuo-Mama shows ChibiUsa her fave family photo. every one (includeing Chibiusa) is in it.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I found and added the only colored shot (I know of) of Phobos and Deimos. While we're discussing images, I think it would be a really good idea to combine the Channel/Guccicci and Hanmatsuura images into a cropped version of this image, in which they're all together. Also, it's color! I like color. --Masamage 04:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, they're in the lower-left corner of this one, too! That would be cuuuuuute. --Masamage 04:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Ohh Thanks to who ever replaced Motaki's, Uwra's and Haruna-Sensei's Pics (those old ones were kinda bad <_<) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a question, but won't this interfere with the fair use? (Helios, for example.) We have to keep the images to a minimum per wikipedia rules. We already are on the margin with the main Sailor Profiles. i.e. Shouldn't we prioritize first? --Hitsuji Kinno 00:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

New Divisions

The new divisons mean we need to change the template for the charcters (the one at the bottom of the screen) as the Other humans catigory is now non existant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Oh, good call. I'll do that. --Masamage 06:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

ChibiUsa's Freinds

Should they be added to the list? Also is the Momo-chan from R the same one as the one in S and SuperS? If so, how did she jump in age and get her hair turned purple? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

That is indeed the same Momo-chan, and...nobody knows. X) I'd say yeah, let's add them at the bottom of the Azabu Jūban section. No pariticular need for pictures unless we find a group shot. --Masamage 22:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

A wizard did it ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

ROFL! Lego3400: The Sage of Time 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This situation is actually more screwed up than anyone realizes. Momoko's updated self (purple hair and eyes, red Chinese dress, sexy figure) first appears in Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon SuperS, but she appears in her original character design (blue eyes, brown hair, childlike figure) early in that same season in one of Chibi Usa's dream sequences. :O

My two best non-canonical explanations: 1) the benevolent, delayed side effect of a unique interaction between Momoko's body chemistry and the massive blast of Dark Power she was exposed to by the Droids Chiral and Achiral or 2) a subconscious reflection of her desired physical appearance due to reality being altered by Queen Nehellenia's waking nightmare during Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon SuperS (which is my catch-all excuse for many of the continuity violations we see during the fourth season). :) Lunar Archivist (talk) 15:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

3) She got a really expensive makeover. :) --Masamage ♫ 16:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Divisons

Should we break Azu Juuban up some into Middle school, Elementary and elsewhere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

No, because people grow up. It should be "Azabu Jūban" for the students, and then another section for everyone who doesn't fall into the existing sections. --Masamage 19:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Minor Senshi

TADA! The minor senshi are here! Now we need to extract all the info on Arteste from Wikimoon.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 12:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

But...the pre-Animamates are already discussed on the Animamates page, and there's zero information about them anyway. And you spelled Astarte wrong. I think she's the only one who needs to be in here. --Masamage ♫ 15:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned them all up, and the sections were short enough that they seemed mergeable. I called it Dead Senshi, since they're the only ones I know of who could fit that. Sailor Astarte I put out on her own. Both sections are under the already-extant Non-humans heading. --Masamage ♫ 15:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Fine by me but don't we KNOW that Mermaid's attack was Mermaid Tusnami. Also, I'll find images of Astarte in her three forms and make a composate... I'll even throw in that image of the back of Cornois. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

Why would we know that? Is it mentioned somewhere? --Masamage ♫ 21:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I think because Siren's attack it Galatic Tusnami ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 21:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

A Google search for "mermaid tsunami" only turns up fanfiction, fansites that state right out that they're speculating, and unrelated stuff. Limiting it to http://kurozuki.com , which would run through the entire text of the manga, gets zero hits. --Masamage ♫ 21:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Meh... thought we said somewhere that... Meh... I copied over the info on Sailor Astarte from Wikimoon. I left out the stuff we don't cover such as overall mythology... Though you guys can stick that back in.. Its gonna need some heavy clean up to meet our standards though... I can only find ONE image of her civilian form (on the fan site i put at the bottom (Its notable cause those are the only ones in English or Japanese))...--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed it again because it's not true. I also removed the huge copy-paste copyright violation. --Masamage ♫ 17:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Bots removed images....

Why were they removed? They had justifications. At this rate it looks like any images which was not explicitly given to wikipedia are going to be removed. >.<;;--Hitsuji Kinno 17:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've put them back but I don't think it was a bot. I think it was a user. If it happens again we can worry. For now we'll take it slowly. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I am sorry but images of characters in list like this are clear violations of our non free content policy. See User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation. Rettetast 22:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, but mass removal of images without informing the editors of the Sailor Moon articles is certainly not right at all. I read Durins page, but some characters have to represented through images.--Hanaichi 02:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. With many of them, we've even made an effort to combine them (like the Tsukino parents, and the Temple characters). I think we could probably do more--add Shingo to the family shot, combine Naru and Umino, that sort of thing. The Naruru/Ruruna/Hanmatsuura shots are also going to be moved to a new sidestory article as soon as we have time to build it. Certainly removing all of them is not necessary. The live-action shot of Motoki can probably go, however; two shots of one character is probably not defensible, especially considering he doesn't look all that special. --Masamage ♫ 04:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Coronis could go, but she's noteable cause she has an image. Helios's 2 could be a composite. Shingo could be composited into his parents pic or have both replaced with one of all three. There are also manga only freinds we have yet to cover IIRC. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 12:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Motoki's surname

Which episode is it mentioned in, out of curiosity? In episode 29 when Makoto visits his apartment the name on the door is Kohan. 91.105.5.19 16:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I don't know about the anime, but I do know he's introduced by name in manga Act 5. If the door you're referring to is the one in this shot, I'm not sure that's necessarily a name--it could have something to do with the building. A search on kohan gets me (among other things) 古版, meaning 'old edition', but only the first kanji matches what's on the door. I can't find the second kanji at all, with or without the 'ko' in front of it. Searching for Kohan in the name directory gets a lot of hits, but nothing with 古 in it. (古 seems to mean 'old', though.) --Masamage ♫ 20:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Naru

I didn't want to just step in and change something that could be just my own opinion, but I really don't see her as going through a "long" depression "for the rest of the series" after Nephrite's death. She seemed to be well on the road to recovery by the end of episode 26 and completely over it by 28. 91.107.134.174 23:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right; nice catch. My guess is that the thing to do would be removing any speculation about exactly how long the feelings last, and just leave it at "a period of depression". You can do the honors if you like! --Masamage ♫ 00:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Remove Urwa

Do we really need him? He only appears twice and isn't that big of a charcter. He's not bigger than any other Victem of the day.--72.95.217.34 (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

He's not very important, but he is notable, I think. Until Wikipedia starts running out of space, I think there's enough info about him available that it's okay to keep him. He's more notable for having been in the very first series, and he has a big effect on Ami. (In the manga, most of the Ayakashi Sisters, Witches 5, and Sailor Animamates only appear once.) --Masamage ♫ 16:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with Masamage. Urawa is fairly important in the first story arc in the anime. JuJube (talk) 16:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In-progress list Charcters not covered

If your not faimiler with these charcter's stop over at wikimoon. Thats where i'm pulling names from. I've left out people like Yumiko (A freind of Usagi who appears in both Anime and Manga) cause I don't think there is enough info on them I've also added a few comments on why some of them should be added as well as some random comments :P--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Manga

• Maenads (The priestesses that work under Helios/Elios))
• The un-used Diana the Moon Fairy
• All of the Sailor V charcters (They can go on Sailor V page though)
• Kaidou (Rei's father's Secrety for those who haven read/read about Casablanca Memories))
• The Sailor Power Guardians Placed short section on the Silver Millenum page. Since they dwell in the castles, that seems a better place.

Manga & Anime

• Ittou Asanuma (Nanko-sama added him to those "Cast Drawings")
• Keiko Tomoe (Hotaru's mom. Her death was a big thing. Surpised we don't have her mentioned)
• Ishihara (Freind of Chibi-Usa's in both anime and manga)

Manga, Anime & PGSM

• Mayumi Osaka (Naru and Naruru's Mom, I can't belive we haven't talked about her! She's the first Youma victem in all 3 versions)

Anime only

*Usagi's Fat Friend (She has no proper name ^-^') Had second thoughts she's not needed.

• Mika Kayama (Freind of Shingo's who appears twice, first with the channella episode, later when her Pure heart is stolen. She may have appeared in the manga as that box is blank in wikimoon)

PGSM only

Minako's Manager

Muscials

Too many to list -_-

For the musicals, I can come out with around 5 important ones.

From Kaguya Shima Densetsu

• Loof Merrow

From Dracul Series (Last Dracul Jokyoku, Transylvania no Mori + Revision, Chou Wakusei Death Vulcan no Fuuin)

• Bloody Dracul Vampiru
• Count Dracul
• Sailor Astarte (Listed already)
• Mandrake

These are recurring characters important to the original storyline made in the musicals. Of course I can also provide sufficent information for a decent section.--Hanaichi 14:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Citations and Resources

Just out of curiosity, do we have to add citations for each and every piece of information we add to this page? I've noticed a conspicuous lack of references in several cases. I just added some information about Shingo Tsukino's age and academic situation to his mini-profile that I know is correct and was wondering if I absolutely needed to go dig up my source on this. Lunar Archivist (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Most things should be cited, yeah. This isn't one of our more advanced pages in that regard, but it's something we hope to improve eventually. Sailor Mercury is a good example of how very sourced something can be. Basically, we just really want people to be able to easily follow our trail and verify everything we've said. If it's really basic or obvious it doesn't necessarily need a citation, but I think it's important (and would be cool) to have one for something like a numerical fact. --Masamage ♫ 16:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:When to cite is an essay with opinions about when it's useful to cite information that you might find interesting. -Malkinann (talk) 02:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...would it be possible for both of you to contact me using an instant messaging application of some sort? It might make image transmission and exchange more simple. Besides, I'm not sure posting Rapidshare or Megaupload links in Wikipedia is allowed. :P Lunar Archivist (talk) 08:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Musical crows

I've been trying to verify the recently-added passage about a fake Phobos and Deimos appearing in the first Sailor Moon S musical, but I can't find it anywhere--in particular, not at WikiMoon or at sera-myu.com, for either crow or for the musical itself. I've checked the surrounding musicals too to be sure, and neither the plot summaries nor the cast lists mention anything about it. Thoughts? --Masamage ♫ 18:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, the fake Phobos and Deimos thing you are talking about might be from the Super Musical, where the Manechas dressed up as the birds and Haruka and Michiru (which there was a remake scene in Last Dracul). The reason why they aren't listed is because the people acting as the Manechas imitated Phobos, Deimos, Haruka & Michiru, so only the Manechas (Death Ra, Ri, Ru & Re) are listed as cast (complicated right?). Basically the imitations are part of the plot. Go here to see the exact scene.[1]--Hanaichi 05:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Minor Technicality

"He has to keep some secrets from her at first, but as the series progresses they get to become closer than friends as they share a kiss and a hug in the anime." From the Pegasus/Elios section. Technically they hug and kiss more than once...

The other minor technicality is the Senshi mentioning seeing Pegasus in their dreams too. I'm not sure if that is notable though.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 06:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit War

I have fully protected the page due to an edit war. Please calmly discuss below: Malinaccier (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting. The relevant projects have been alerted to this copyvio issue and are discussing it in the project pages and working on steps to eliminate the problem. Hopefully Lego will realize that the copyright policy is not one that can be casually ignored. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, just notify me when the Edit war has been fully resolved, so I can unprotect. Malinaccier (talk) 23:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Manga Shots

Didn't Takenuchi-sensei draw dozens of little images of charcters for the popularity polls? Couldn't we cut and paste them into group shots we need? Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

No, as that would also violate WP:NONFREE. Composite images created by editors are considered to be the same as individual images, and seem to be seen as violating copyrights as well. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys have any suggestions for concerns at the bottom here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm really starting to hate these rules... Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, you can't ignore them for one, as this is not such an instance. You know the saying, "If you can't beat em, join em". Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

"Shonen J*mp"

What is "Shonen J*mp"? This section references it, and the link takes you to Weekly Shonen Jump. Is this intentional or inappropriately written? Regardless, I feel it should be changed to something like "his favorite book is "Shonen J*mp", (a play on Shonen Jump".) Thoughts before I take action? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It's intentional; that's how it's written in the Materials Collection. We're not sure if it's a pun on that magazine's name, a censored version of its name, or a stylization. Being unsure, we went with not giving any more information than we have. --Masamage ♫ 01:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, can it be rephrased per my suggestion? The way it is now is kinda awkward, IMO. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It is awkward right now, I agree. But like I said, we're not sure it is a play (per se) on Shonen Jump, so we can't say it is. We could probably say "(a reference to Shonen Jump)", though. --Masamage ♫ 03:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

That is a better selection. Shall I edit it per this discussion or would you like to do the honours? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, since I'm online now, I'll go ahead. --Masamage ♫ 17:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair use images

I read Bots removed images.... and Image list and see no consensus reached, therefore, why this was removed is beyond me. Per WP:FUC, pictures for almost every character in a list can't do. It's a matter of "fair use abuse". This is why group images are generally preferred (example, List of Blood+ characters). A similar discussion took place here in case anyone was unaware. Many Ranma ½-related pages are suffering the same problems (here's that discussion). Regardless, I will re-place the tag so someone with expertise can actually remove the unnecessary pics. Further, I'm expecting that we can actually achieve consensus here. Who can do group pictures? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

We've certainly used group pictures whenever possible. For now, I've at least removed the PGSM Motoki shot, which is unnecessary anyway. --Masamage ♫ 23:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Really, this is ridiculous isn't it? It's like this article is asking to lose the images. BTW, who has Paint Shop Pro? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits)

As Sesshomaru has noted, and tagged the article for, the list is badly in violation of the WP:NONFREE policy. The individual images need to be removed, as soon as possible, and if possible replaced with a select few group images, either from the manga or anime. Unfortunately, as this list focuses on minor characters, many will have to remain without images at all as they never appear together, however a group image of the entire Tsukino family should be very easy to find. Look to the episode where Chibiusa hypnotizes them, all of them are standing together at the door. A group shot of Naru, Umino and Miss Haruna should also be relatively easy, as I believe they appear together in several frames of the anime. Certainly Naru and Umino do, at the least. The rest probably need to just be removed, again, as it would be nearly impossible to do a group shot and if the article is left in its current state, the B bot will probably come remove them all at some point. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

For the record, the page should be scaled to three group pictures (if needed, four). Perhaps the various families could be combined into a single frame. The rest, well, let's go one step at a time to evaluate further. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I did the Tsukino's group image from episode 40. Will try to find a Umino, Naru and Haruna one.--Hanaichi 09:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

And can we get rid of images for characters who have a role considerably smaller than most? I'm tired of seeing very minour characters pictured in articles. This is actually helpful in terms of process of elimination. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been bold and removed almost most of the images. New image additions, and the remaining ones, can be discussed here and allow for an easier view of what should be pictured (hopefully). I've also removed two inappropriate references (fan sites are not WP:RS, and the external links which are both inappropriate. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

(Indent recet) I reverted it. One it was a bit soon and a couple were likely to stay as they have more than one charcter. Second, WP:SM and WP:Anime and Manga have our own guidelines we try and follow. I understand your trying to help but please familerize yourself with our project guidelines (In this case the referances one--Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 19:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but your project guidelines do not override Wikipedia guidelines NOR a very strict Wikipedia policy regarding images, reliable sources, nor links. If you think that they do, then the project has some serious issues that need addressing now. And, FYI, from a quick scan, the links I remove violate your project guidelines too. They are, infact, listed right at the bottom as being unreliable. My edits did not just remove images, but very inappropriate links, so I have reverted. If images re going to come back, discuss them one by one here and give a valid reason for why WP:NONFREE should be ignored. AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

One, you delated a site we do source so you might want to take a second look at those referances... (The oracle is a great site we use ALOT) I'd place money on You to having a fight with most of us to get it removed, we've pretty much all agreed its a good site. Two, its better ( to keep them and discuss which ones should be REMOVED instead of what ones to add again. And eaiser as we don't have worry about reuploading) Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You can bet all you want, but as the site violates Wikipedia's very stringent copyright policies, anyone linking to it who tries to insist on keeping it will be subjecting to blocking or banning. That is not a negotiable policy in any way, shape, or form. We don't break laws just because of fan obsession. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Editors of this Project should please read WP:COPYRIGHT under Linking to Copyrighted Works for more specifics. As well, go over your refereces in WP:SM/REF as some clearly violate Wiki Policy and will be removed if no action is taken. Fox816 (talk) 22:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I too think that WP:SM/REF needs a rewrite in some areas (this helps to explain why this page violated copyright in the first place). Anyway, someone said they would get another group picture with Umino and others? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a preference for manga or anime? I have the entire anime, and all of the manga but Stars, so I'd be willing do to some searching if we can come to a consensus on which characters should have images. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

If you ask me, colored depictions by Takeuchi-sensei would be best. Or anime drawings. Really either one is fine. Don't see the point of black-and-white though. I feel manga should only be considered if there are no colorful ones. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...I tend to disagree there. The manga is the original version, so to me, I think we need to get into using more manga images rather than just the anime (which gives undo weight to the derivative). Nothing wrong with black-and-white ya know, it is how it was originally written and published ;) If we want colors, though, it will have to come from the anime unless someone has one of the Japanese editions, as the MIXX releases only have colors on the covers. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, manga is usually created before anime (I believe this is how it started, however, there have been exceptions; Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo were anime before adapting to manga). Does anyone have access to the Japanese-language tankōbon for SM? Colored images from there would be great. IMHO, black-and-white should still be a last resort (ie, if there are no colorful colored pics for that particular design, then use manga drawings). Just my opinion. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I know there are exceptions, such as The Vision of Escaflowne and Blood+, and in those cases the first work should be emphasized there, hence those articles considering the anime the accurate ones, and then noting differences in the manga and novels. With this list, and much of the SM stuff, I've noticed the opposite is true. Instead of focusing on the manga, then noting anime differences, the opposite is done. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Come again? I'm afraid you've lost me. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Naru Osaka's section, for example, almost exclusively focuses on the anime version, with little mention of the manga. When, to be proper, it should be written from the perspective of the manga, with notes following on "In the anime, etc etc" and "PGSM..." Ditto Momoko Momohara (Momo). Absolutely no mention of her manga appearances at all. Unrelated note, but "Azabu Jūban" should probably be given an English name per the MOS and because few, if any, readers will have a clue what that is. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, now we're back on the same page. I agree with you 100%. Perhaps a {{rewrite}} tag should be applied to this list, as well a {{In-universe/Anime and manga}}. I'm a bit surprised to see that no link to Azabu Jūban has been created. Don't tell me there are a number of non-existent redirects out there? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Your link is the only one which appeared in What links here? for Azabu Juban Sesshomaru. Right, I am tired of people trying to remove images without reaching a consensus first at the talk page. Blatantly removing all the images without leaving a reason on the talk page instead of calmly talking it out isn't exactly very comforting. Atleast give us a reason why you will do so before removing all of the images, not simply removing them and escalating everybody's anger. Okay, so for group images:

• Tsukino family, which we have excluding Usagi because I couldn't find one with her.
• Umino, Naru and Haruna, I can find dozens of Umino and Naru, but finding one with Haruna is difficult, owing to the fact that she rarely appears.
• Unazuki and Motoki, they are out there somewhere,
• Yuichiro and grandapa can be combined in a better image. I am incline to add their group image because of both their significance in the first season.
• Pegasus definetely deserves his own image due to his large significant role in SuperS
• I have no idea about Makoto Hanamatsuura, seeing as he is a real life person, perhaps its notable?

I doubt the dead senshi needs their own picture to display that they are dead. Musical characters will be coming soon, so we will wait and see on that.--Hanaichi 10:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please calm down Hanaichi. The images are being removed per violating several policies, namely WP:FUC. Obviously, WP:CONSENSUS doesn't override that. I started this discussion, but note that Collectonian was the bravest one here to actually remove some images. What do you not understand? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, a link to a consensus on what determines a violation of WP:FUC would be appreciated, which was all I was after when I removed the tag initially. Like with "minimal use" - one could say 'this is the only picture of secondary character X on Wikipedia, therefore it is minimal use'. I couldn't find mention of a consensus on what constitutes a violation of NFCC on the page itself, nor on the proposed rewrite. I can't see that the link you provided in your revert of my revert to the bleach armarda page indicates a consensus on what constitutes a violation of FUC. -Malkinann (talk) 05:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You did wrong in just deleting the template. You may want to read WP:NFCC#Policy. Point is, we can't have an image for almost every character just because the policy doesn't give an actual limit. Our goal is to use the minimum to evade any copyright violations. Know that excessive images are usually removed without the need for discussion and group images are always preferred over galleries. It's common practice. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I was following the bold, revert, discuss model - I thought it would be acceptable to do so. I have read WP:NFCC a lot, I promise! ;) Although if something there has slipped my notice please just point it out. I think it just comes down to how strictly (or laxly) people want to apply NFCC. I suppose not all of the characters that have had their images removed really require one - I really think Motoki does, though, as he is shared between both the Sailor Moon and Sailor V prototype series. -Malkinann (talk) 07:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Things it may be useful to know:

• There exists a color manga image of Naru, Umino, Motoki, Reika, Momoko, Kyuusuke, Kotono, Asanuma all together in one clump. If I obtain that, will it be acceptable for use?
• The Hammer Price characters (Naruru, Ruruna, Hanmatsuura) are eventually going to be merged into a Side Stories page which discusses Chibiusa's Picture Diaries.

I'll probably think of some more later. --Masamage ♫ 05:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

By all means. I'm thinking we can remove the Naru and Umino pics and arrange the aforesaid image over here. Let's hear some more ideas. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hrm. Usagi's family are in it, too, fairly inextricably. This is good for having fewer images, but bad for current the organization of the page... Any thoughts? --Masamage ♫ 06:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by inextricably? If they're in there, we can remove Image:Tsukino Family.JPG from the article. Is Usagi pictured with the family and others? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I worry about the image size though. If so many characters are in it, whats the maximum pixel amount could we use to display it? Surely using 220px couldn't display the characters properly.--Hanaichi 08:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks okay to me: I've uploaded it now at Image:Sailor Moon minor characters.jpg. Where would we put such an image, though, since these characters identified in different places all over the article? --Masamage ♫ 22:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, it can go here, replacing the current images for Naru, Umino, and the Tsukino family. Is Haruna in the background? (can't tell who the girls with blonde, white, and red hair are) Please make sure the image has a this rationale because the bots often tag the ones which do not. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess; it'll just be far away from a lot of the characters its portraying. Haruna isn't there; the yellow-, white-, and red-haired girls are, respectively, Reika, Kotono, and Momoko. Talk about minor. X) --Masamage ♫ 03:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Indent reset) They aren't THAT minor, most of them are covered... Just a few need covered as they don't show up in the anime (Though two of them show up for one episode :P) and not everyone has acess to the manga. And Mixx/Toykopop's wobbly translations speak for themselves.... ((I want a copy of the JP release (No mirrored images!)with the text whited out and a proper translation written in over top))Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 17:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Minako's parents

Anyone familiar enough with the Sailor V manga to do a section on Venus' parents? Her parents and Hotaru's mother are the only family members we haven't covered. (I'm not even gonna bother with Makoto's parents as all we really know is that they died in a plane Crash and thats all covered on her page). All I know about them are that 1: They look alot like Usagi's parents, thus why they are rarely mentioned outside the Sailor V manga, and that Minako list's her mom as things she as trouble with. Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Musical Charcters

Me and Hana are working on the musical charcters on our respective sandboxs (I'm mainly working on Astarte/Siva/Dark Cain/Vulcan). If anyone ones to help ME out leave me a message, I can't speak for Hana though. Though i'm gonna hold off a bit on putting them in mainspace due to the issues we've been having, once we finish them and the issues are resolved, should we put them here or start a new page at Sailor Moon Musical Charcters or something similar? Hana if you have any comments on this please add them. --18:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk)

I'm not against the idea of seperating the musical characters from the main list, but if we do I'm just afraid of the possibility of it getting an AFD somehow. We'll have to see how big the list would be with the musical characters and take the appropriate action.--Hanaichi 06:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Right. Though if we DO seperate it, it gives us more leeway with the charcters we can use. For instance, ATM we could probably only get away with recurring charcters in Dracul, such as Vampir and Le Fay, We can do ones that appear in only one, but still esential to the plot such as Levi and Lillith of Darkness. We could also put them on the the Musical's page if we need to (Though that page needs some work as it is >_>)Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 16:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD Reminder

One of the main reasons this article survived its December AfD was the premise that it could be a good list of severely cleaned up. However, while the images have been cleaned up, content wise it continues to grow into a huge, bloated, indiscriminate list of fancruft. This list should NOT include every last character to make a five second appearance in the series (or even one episode one). The parents of most of the characters should not be listed, they are beyond minor characters. Many of the planned characters also do not need to be included here. Much of what is here needs to be transwikied somewhere else. Does anyone intend to follow the AfD recommendation to clean the list? AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

We only list recurring characters and characters that are Key to an overall plot, Collectoian. There would be at least 150 more characters if we included victims of the day and back ground charcters. Before we add charcters we can also talk it over... We'll find a way to split it up once it's finished... Its one stop at a time -_-. Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 19:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It can't be transwikied because WikiMoon has a different copyright system. And like we said then, a bunch of this will be split up into separate articles.

As to the families, here's an idea: this really only applies to Rei and Ami, but should we perhaps let their articles serve for descriptions of their parents? There's really not a lot of information here that isn't there. They are important, but only in relation to their much-more-important kids. Rei's grandpa may be a big enough deal that he could reasonably stay, but removing the others would help shorten this list.

The side-stories article isn't done yet, but should we remove Naruru/Ruruna/Hanmatsuura anyway in preparation for the fact that they'll be covered there? --Masamage ♫ 00:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm obviously missing something, but considering the characters listed to be added, what the heck do Kaguya Shima Densetsuand Dracul Series have to do with Sailor Moon at all? Why even plan to add characters that don't belong here? AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

You are missing something. They (or at least some of those in the list) are major characters from the stage musicals. --Masamage ♫ 05:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh...well, the stage musical characters should probably be in their own list unless they tie into the manga/anime story line somehow? AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm currently in the process of expanding those musical characters sections in my own sandbox. Why do you think they should be on another list? The article is about minor Sailor Moon characters and I think it should not only be made up of manga and anime characters, but others as well. However, I'm not against the idea totally. If we were to make a new article, something like List of Sailor Moon musicals characters I'm afraid of the possibility of the article being AFD due to err lack of notability.--Hanaichi 06:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't think they need to be mentioned at all, but since others insist they should, I'm trying to figure out of the musicals are tied to the manga/anime story line or if they are original creations. The musicals article doesn't answer the question at all, as it doesn't talk anything about the plots of them. If they are original creations, though, they should just be considered separate and given their own list. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

They are original to the musicals, but why does that matter? The stage shows are an official spinoff, just like the anime and the tokusatsu. --Masamage ♫ 08:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Makaiju

I'm proposing the merge-in of the Ail, Ann, and Makaiju characters to this article. My reason is that that article is almost 100% plot, even the character sections, so if you removed all but what was absolutely necessary there'd be about two paragraphs left, combined. The characters themselves appear in only 13 episodes of one of the adaptations and are never thought of or mentioned again; I don't think they get any outside coverage, either. Naru fares much better, and she's in the list. So I think they should be moved, and their images deleted (except maybe the one in the infobox).

I also think that, once we move them here, we should change our treatment of their names to either Eiru and An or Ali and En. The first is the correct transliteration of their names, but is never used anywhere. The second is inaccurate pun-preservation, but is used in the official English sub release. Whichever we choose, it's time to face up to Ail and Ann being fan spellings. --Masamage ♫ 17:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It's been over a week with no objections. If no one does in another week, I'll mark this as ready to be merged. --Masamage ♫ 02:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All righty, then. Merge at will! --Masamage ♫ 21:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The article is still using "Ail" and "Ann". I'd like to switch them to something correct, but I don't want to start an edit war over someone who'd rather demand we used a fan creation instead. Rebochan (talk) 22:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I just fixed it myself and added a note that fans translate their names wrong so people will stop editing them back to the fan names. Rebochan (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Better than it was, but the discussion at the WikiProject was to change them to "Ali" and "En", though, using the same reasoning we're using for everything else. I'm still all for that. --Masamage ♫ 06:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Merging Kakyuu

Character with a weak secondary importance within the series, and with no notability at all in the real world. Her article is mainly for plot involvement/description, and no sections for deep analysis, reception, and popular culture impact have been added, nor reliable secondary sources. --LoЯd ۞pεth 23:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• I don't have any objections. JuJube (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
• Totally support. This is a great idea; we tried to merge her into the Starlights article before, but it was a mess. --Masamage ♫ 21:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Merging ChibiChibi

I come with this proposal to merge ChibiChibi as she is not a leading character (and we have characters like Galaxia, the Cats or the Starlights in combined pages), her page lacks of most of the stuff contained in other Senshis' pages (several of which are GA), and also because ChibiChibi has not managed to prove clear notability by receiving coverage from a great amount of reliable secondary sources, and having impact in popular culture. That's why I propose to merge the contents into this page, with Cosmos having a sub-section under ChibiChibi.

A made this draft to give you an idea of how the sections may look like. There is barely any content lost. Thoughts? --LoЯd ۞pεth 20:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

• I don't object. A minor note: Chibi Chibi says more than "chibi chibi" in the anime; she spends her first and final appearances parroting the ends of other sentences, much as she did in the manga. JuJube (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I just copied it as it is in the article. I have corrected that phrase and it now reads as: She appears to be about two years old, and cannot really talk yet: she imitates the ends of others' sentences, and mostly says "chibi". --LoЯd ۞pεth 22:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. It's a shame to lose this article, but all in all, I think you're probably right, and the draft looks pretty good. Says everything it needs to, and in relatively little space. I say sure, but let me stick a note up on the WikiProject page to alert those who may not be watching this one. (Also: my minor correction is to lose the red link in "Galaxy Cauldron". It's an oooooooold leftover.) --Masamage ♫ 03:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

It has been more than 10 days. How much shall we wait to merge if the consensus remains the same? --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Given that we've been doing a lot of merging lately with only a few protests, I'd say we can count on a pretty general consensus, especially since your rough draft pretty much keeps everything. I'd feel entirely comfortable merging very soon. Maybe give it a solid two weeks just to be sure? --Masamage ♫ 06:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Today it has been 2 weeks and no opposition came. I shall then proceed with the merger. I have also found an image that contains both ChibiChibi and Cosmos, so that we avoid excessive non-free content. --LoЯd ۞pεth 17:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Sailor Chaos and Non-Human Classification

Are we sure that Helios is not human? And Sailor Cosmos also? I think we could come up with a better classification. Also what about Sailor Chaos? She's shown in the manga and talked about in the anime...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we say somewhere that they're not? 'Cause yeah, we probably shouldn't be guessing. --Masamage ♫ 16:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Eiru

I made a small edit, taking out the part about Mamoru's dislike of Eiru's trying to win over Usagi. At this point, Mamoru did not remember his love for Usagi and showed no reaction in regards of that. In fact, I'm pretty sure, he didn't even notice it. --UsagiEriko (talk) 21:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough! It was kind of a weirdly-constructed sentence anyway. X) --Masamage ♫ 04:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Kakyuu

I was thinking, and I know we tried and failed once, but Kakyuu's info is really more at home on the Starlights page then here (Not only is she their princess she's a Senshi from their planet in the manga) If we work on it as a group on a project page before launching it I think we can get it looking nice Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 06:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, my suspicion goes the other way--that the Starlights will probably end up here soon enough. :/ Once we get our anime and manga plot summaries down, we can remove the plot summaries from their article, which will leave it extremely short and perfect to be merged into a longer list. --Masamage ♫ 16:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Umino

It's a pun. Umino... Umi can also mean Pus (膿)... different kanji, but I think the pun was meant. Gurio refers to a poet... Griot. (According to the Jeffrey's dictionary which also states there are no names in native Japanese that are Gurio, but it still is used as a name in katakana) So Poet of Pus? Might be an alternate. http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/jis/nihongo-de/FG=b/BG=w/dosearch?sDict=on&sName=on&H=PS&L=J&T=gurio&NOFUZZY=on&wc=none At least the pus part I'm pretty sure of. =P That's why you should name your kid Kai if you want to name them after the sea.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... I can't think of any reason why this character is obviously associated with either pus or African bards. Since the kanji for "sea" is specifically used, and since Umino is only gross in that he's annoying, and since he's neither poetic nor African (though he does tell stories), I think this would be way too much speculation to put in the article. --Masamage ♫ 07:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Naru

All material for the Collectible Card Game refers to Naru as "Molly Osaka", not Molly Baker. Should this be noted? 99.245.202.130 (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes it should. Please feel free to add it, make sure you source it thoughLego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 04:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Dub surnames?

Where did a lot of these dub surnames come from? Particularly those of Umino, Motoki (and Unazuki), and Yuuichirou. I can't recall any of these surnames being used in the English dub at all. Same goes for the dub first name of Naru's mother. --72.77.253.36 (talk) 05:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Eiru?

Where did this romanazation come from. Our previous sources indicated that the two names were blatantly supposed to read Alien. Ail and En. Eiru is just a bad romanazaion. Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 04:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The katakana for his name are e i ru. It's a literal transcription. --Masamage ♫ 17:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I have a source to back up my claim however (and considering it's me that's a shocker!). And it's one we're familiar with too. Dies Gaudii has a lengthy article on this. (Actully he uses Al (and En) but it's better then Eiru), And since we're alway looking for more sources to back up our claims I propose we use these translations (As they do hold more weight then ours) Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd rather have Al, Ail, or Ali than "Eiru". If we were using the literal katakana transcriptions we would have things like "Seeraa Nepuchuun" instead of Sailor Neptune or "Runa Shukuru Kyandi" instead of Luna Sucre Candy. Sentōkisei (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I just did a pass on the page to get rid of "Ail" and "Ann" because these are not the character's names. They're fanon mistakes, as one of the sources in this discussion points out. I've switched them over to "Al" and "En", which are at least correct. I'd ask that they not be changed back to "Ail" and "Ann" without a valid source. Rebochan (talk) 09:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Rename proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was rename to List of Sailor Moon characters and merging minor characters with the article itself. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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I propose to rename this page into "List of Sailor Moon characters", since several of the characters are not minor, but have a larger role that can be considered "supporting" or "secondary". Such is the case of Naru, Helios, Chibichibi or Kakyuu. With the proposal of the split of the Silver Millennium into several other pages, Queen Serenity would be placed in this article. At the beginning of the article, two sections would be added: one for Protagonists, that will include links to the ten Senshi and Tuxedo Masks, and one for Antagonists, with links to the 5 major villain groups.

Furthermore, I propose to merge Luna, Artemis, and Diana into this article. Though the cats have a strong presence in the whole series, their article have not managed to prove Wikipedia:Notability outside the series, which is one of the premises for a separate article. This merge would not represent loss of content of the Luna, Artemis, and Diana article, since all the information will be place under a new section called "The cats" (or whatever name someone else proposes). To avoid having an extremely large article, the Makaiju section can be placed in the Sailor Moon R article under a "New characters" section, in a similar fashion to the movies.

Thoughts? --LoЯd ۞pεth 21:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

A week has passed and there was no opposition to this move, or to the merger of non-notable pages. I will begin with the move, mergers and fixing links right now. --LoЯd ۞pεth 18:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

List of Sailor Moon characters → Characters of Sailor Moon – The layout of this article may resemble Characters of Final Fantasy VIII, Characters of Kingdom Hearts, and characters from other Square-Enix games. Also, I'm not sure if we must use "List of..." anymore; it's not like any typical list, like timelines. --George Ho (talk) 03:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose they should all be called "list of" per WP:LISTNAME -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:LISTNAME. In WP:FICTION#Lists_of_fictional_elements, it says that this type or article is a list articles. In Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(anime-_and_manga-related_articles)#Characters, it suggests the name "List of (series) characters". Those two articles should be renamed. Actually, those two articles mentioned by George Ho have a couple of sections at the start with real-world information of how they were created. So, they are not technically pure lists. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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FL status?

I have been thinking about nominating this for FLC soon. I think we should merge the film characters into this article if its possible and trim down the trim down most of the character sections for a well-written, well-sourced list. We should use Template:GNR and Template:Cite episode for episodes and manga chapters, respectively. I highly suggest looking at the following article series as an example:

• List of Naruto characters (FL)
• List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters (also FL)

Any thoughts about this would be appreciated. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:17, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

"This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may only interest a specific audience. (November 2014)"

I noticed the line "This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may only interest a specific audience. (November 2014)" in the Multiple Issues box. I don't know why it's there; this article goes into less detail than do List of Star Trek characters (A–F), List of Star Trek characters (G–M), List of Star Trek characters (N–S), and List of Star Trek characters (T–Z).

The only difference I see is that those pages deal with a topic that appeals to male SF fans, while this page deals with a topic that does not appeal to male SF fans. I was under the impression that Wikipedia was trying to attract a wider variety of editors; that won't happen if we delete content of interest to a wider variety of editors.

I propose deleting this so-called issue from the page.

--206.47.13.28 (talk) 00:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I have removed overdetailed descriptions and re-tellings of scenes to address this issue.--LoЯd ۞pεth 22:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Chibichibi's age

Do not be misleading. They never said that she was only two years old. Even in the musical she is older than that. 114.39.202.77 (talk) 01:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Sailor Saturn's title

This is a reliable source according to the song "Sky of Jewels" in the musical "Le Mouvement Final" , and other soldiers have also mentioned their titles, like what they do in manga. Lucas two (talk) 15:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

March 2018 copy edit

This is one of the better character lists I've seen tagged, with lots of real-world context. A few notes:

• I reduced a lot of the use of bold, particularly for names which already had a section header directly above. Otherwise, I could see bold being useful for major alternative names that a reader might follow from a redirect.
• I italicized some of the Japanese words less-commonly seen in everyday English (MOS:FOREIGNITALIC).
• masculine-acting girl – could this be better stated as boyish or tomboyish girl?

If you have any questions or comments, please give me a {{ping}} below. Thanks! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:25, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Merge request discussion never started

As per the current request to merge Death Busters, Dead Moon Circus and Shadow Galactica into this article, I strongly oppose. There was an ongoing debate over the past years which resulted in merging several individual characters (like Galaxia, Chaos, Nehellenia) and sub-groups (Witches 5, Animamates, the Amazon, etc.) into greater articles. Those 3 articles have had their sections trimmed, with just brief paragraphs for each character's appearance in the manga and anime (and musicals where it applies). As per Wikipedia:Merging, "Merging should be avoided if: The resulting article would be too long or "clunky" (Wikipedia:Article size says that "> 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided"). Also, Wikipedia:Notability recommends "to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article" and that "articles on minor characters in a work of fiction may be merged into a "list of minor characters in ..." That is what we did with all these individual villains; editors might check the revision history of the Sailor Moon template and see that, in the past, almost every single villain had its own article. We rather merged all of them into a single group to avoid having stubs and lots of articles on non-notable characters. --LoЯd ۞pεth 14:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Two weeks have passed. I addressed the issue by creating reception sections in all three articles. In the case of Shadow Galactica, it needs major expansion, but the three subjects clearly pass Wikipedia:Notability. Furthermore, the user that added the merge tag never started any discussion, so I am removing the tags. --LoЯd ۞pεth 14:00, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Is there a page of characters for the monsters of the day?

I want to know is there a page that lists all the monsters and characters of sailor moon. If there is not a page, should we list all of the characters even minor characters who appear in one episode and unique monsters. FedualJapan (talk) 16:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• You really need to consider contributing to https://www.fandom.com/ . Drmies (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @Drmies Sorry, that is really rude and Disrespectful because that is not a reliable source like Wikipedia but Wikipedia has more neutrality and more driven by facts. I am driving by facts. I am posting facts. Wikipedia disagrees with you. FedualJapan (talk) 17:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
    • @FedualJapan the monsters of the day were once all listed in the villain group pages but were removed since those entries were considered Wikipedia:FANCRUFT, with little to no real world content and reliable secondary sources to sustain individual sections. Besides, as you mentioned yourself, those characters appear in just one episode of one piece of media, so just a general summary of the monsters (youma, droids, daimons, etc.) remains in each article. Only the major characters have separate sections. For encyclopedic purposes, let's keep it like that. --LoЯd ۞pεth 19:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)