Talk:List of Roman Catholics handed over to the judiciary in the London area during the 1640s
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Requested move 2 September 2019 edit
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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) PC78 (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
List of Roman Catholics handed over to the judiciary in the London area during the 1640s → List of Catholics handed over to the judiciary in the London area during the 1640s – WP:CONSISTENCY with Lists of Catholics and its linked lists, as well as Catholic Church in England and Wales, Catholic Church in the United Kingdom etc. PPEMES (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Newslinger talk 02:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for the very specific subset of articles dealing with 17th-century England, even though it goes against Wikipedia's normal naming conventions. The period this list covers is the time the Caroline Divines dominated the Anglican Church; many of those doing the persecuting would have considered themselves "Catholic" and described themselves as such (and likewise, not have considered Roman Catholics as "Catholic"), while the internal dispute within the CofE between Evangelicals and Anglo-Catholics was if anything more significant than the broader dispute between the assorted Protestant denominations and the RCC. Not making the disambiguation clear just leads to potential confusion for readers whereas "Roman Catholic" is unambiguous. ‑ Iridescent 08:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- It might not have been at the time. But doesn't that seem a bit archaic? By now, per WP:GLOBAL however, Roman Catholic can refer to the Latin Church, whereas I presume the topic referred to the Catholic Church as a whole? PPEMES (talk) 09:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say it's archaic. While "Catholic" is becoming shorthand for "Catholic Church" in England, Anglo-Catholics are certainly very much with us and the Church of England still considers itself "Catholic and reformed". Since this is essentially an article about a period in which the prime religious dispute was between the Catholic and Puritan wings of the CofE and the handful of remaining RCC adherents were an impoverished and largely irrelevant minority, I think it needs to be made clear that this is specifically an article about RCC recusants, and wouldn't include executed Anglo-Catholics such as William Laud. ‑ Iridescent 09:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Except mentioning of maintainance of his writings in the Library of Anglo-Catholic Theology, I didn't find anything in the article of William Laud talking about him as an "Anglo-Catholic". Notwithstanding, I'm not sure time- and place-specific relativism hold sway as arguments here against well-established WP:COMMONNAME adhered to across thousands of pages. PPEMES (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say it's archaic. While "Catholic" is becoming shorthand for "Catholic Church" in England, Anglo-Catholics are certainly very much with us and the Church of England still considers itself "Catholic and reformed". Since this is essentially an article about a period in which the prime religious dispute was between the Catholic and Puritan wings of the CofE and the handful of remaining RCC adherents were an impoverished and largely irrelevant minority, I think it needs to be made clear that this is specifically an article about RCC recusants, and wouldn't include executed Anglo-Catholics such as William Laud. ‑ Iridescent 09:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- It might not have been at the time. But doesn't that seem a bit archaic? By now, per WP:GLOBAL however, Roman Catholic can refer to the Latin Church, whereas I presume the topic referred to the Catholic Church as a whole? PPEMES (talk) 09:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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