Talk:Lisa Donovan

Has Been

It should be noted on her wiki page that she is a "has been". Other than appearing on MADtv for a couple episodes, she has nothing else as far as movie or television appearances. She's a horrible no-talent "comedian".

In the future, please sign your posts. You can do so by either clicking the "Sign" button on the editor, or adding four "~" immediately following your post. As for your recommendations, you have an obvious bias, and personal opinions are not allowed in articles. Just because you think she is a "horrible no-talent comedian" does not mean that gets added to the article. In addition, someone being "has been" is an inherently bias term, and also subjective to personal opinion. Cr@$h3d@t@^{t@1k t0 m3} 20:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Don´t erase this article

She´s becoming famous, there´s no reason to erase this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.92.141.220 (talk • contribs).

article should be deleted because there is no legitable resources. personal resources DO NOT count! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pinkapplebees (talk • contribs).

The Los Angeles Times, Der Spiegel and Adweek are all "legitable" (I think you meant legitimate) resources. --Oakshade 08:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This should be changed to an article about Lisa Donovan

Lisa, the star of the LisaNova vids, is going to be staring on MadTV. It's pretty much official - look here. http://www.planetmadtv.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8830

Should we create a new article or just change this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rurry92 (talk • contribs) 21:56, Jan 28, 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, we gotta move this to "Lisa Donovan". Yeah babe. Phoenix2 01:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It does appear that "Lisa Donovan" is becomeing notable as her own person, seperate from LisaNova. Perhaps a new article? --Oakshade 01:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, whoever wants to can go ahead and do it, there's no one objecting. The lead will need to be rewritten though, with the whole "Lisa Donovan (born whenever in New York) is an actress who gained popularity through youtube...."

I'm headin' out right now, if anyone's up to the task. Phoenix2 01:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Move done. There might be a good argument for a separate article for "LisaNova" since that is a seperate production from the person Lisa Donovan who starred in it. --Oakshade 23:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there's an argument...but LisaNova rdcting here is fine for now, if this article ever gets big enough (highly unlikely in the near future) to spilt off, it can be done. PhoenixTwo 02:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't make any sense, Will Sasso wasn't found through some random video site, Pat Kilbane wasn't, Aries Spears wasn't! Who's next on the show, Lonelygirl15?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.246.253 (talk • contribs) 04:39, Feb 19, 2007 (UTC).

Well no, because LG15 isn't real, she's played by Jessica Rose. PhoenixTwo 05:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How real is "Lisanova"? Isn't it funny that a "nobody" with no previous acting or comedic experience other than some well-polished videos on Youtube gets to be on a major television comedy show? By her own admission, she was nobody 8 months ago. Has it occured to anyone that perhaps she works for Youtube? Think about it, her videos have excellent production value, she gets top billing on Youtube, and it's been stated on Youtube that she was in fact paid to do a video for them, even though the other >99.9999% of contributers to Youtube haven't seen 1 red cent for any of their work! I can't wait til it all comes out, just like it did with Lonelygirl15.

BTW, why hasn't Lisa been on MadTV 2 weeks in a row? Did the people at Fox realize their mistake and fire Ms. Eyecandy? --Bwd234 04:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is currently in the process of deleting all articles about American youtubers. downthere 71.30.255.252 13:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

No, actually that's not happening. In any event, she's more prominent as a MADtv actress than a youtuber now. PhoenixTwo 15:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's you vandalizing youtube articles that you don't seem to like and there is no consensus anywhere to support your agenda. Please stop vandalizing articles as you did with this one. --Oakshade 16:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Time Line?

Start to finish. Was she popular on YouTube before she became an actress/write/director? Was she on MADtv first? Which is it?? -198.102.213.253 20:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It's the former. Some 8 months ago, she posted her first videos on YouTube. Since then, she's gathered over 27,000 subsribers. Only at the beginning of this year did any word of MadTV come out. PhoenixTwo 21:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, over 27,000 subscribers, most of which are likely fake accounts. It has already been proven that she created hundreds, if not thousands of "ghost" accounts that are only subscribed to her and no one else. They also have never viewed any videos. They were created solely for the purpose of artificially boosting her popularity on YouTube. She has also spammed thousands of other people's pages in order to lure them into viewing and/or commenting on her page, again to boost her perceived popularity.

In a word, she is a fraud with no real talent, as anyone who watched her pathetic "acting" on MadTV could tell you, and doesn't deserve all the attention she is getting on YouTube, MadTV or on here! Bwd234 02:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

writer

"Lisa Donovan is an American actress and writer." <-- Can the article give some details about what she has written? --JWSchmidt 05:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

According to [1] she "she wrote, produced and edited numerous short films" while working at Zappin Productions. ~MDD4696 00:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Spamming and fake accounts

I think this article should mention her spamming and ghose accounts on YouTube. She has an autobot program that has created messages in other people's comments and a lot of YouTube members have complained about it. Also, her program also created thousands of ghost accounts that have not watched any videos and are subscribed to her. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.59.112.181 (talk • contribs) 04:03, Jun 29, 2007 (UTC).

I agree but a few dolts keep on removing any mention on this topic without a valid reason or saying "Who Cares?" well people DO care about this issue so I say yes it should be in there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dctcool (talk • contribs) 13:50, July 4, 2007 (UTC).

Prove it. Do you have a reliable source which can be cited to back up this claim? I doubt it. YouTube videos don't count. ~MDD4696 05:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

She admit's it in her latest video [[2]]

People need to stop editing the page, stating that she is a spammer. She IS A SPAMMER AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED!!! HER STEP SISTER IS BRITTANY GUERIN AND SHE'S BLACK

It should be mentioned. She has spammed there's plently of proof, including my profile page. You can't post that much without help.

Her most recent video does not, in fact, prove anything. It is a fictional video made for entertainment. The only thing we really know for sure is that she has sent messages to thousands of YouTube users--that's it. ~MDD4696 00:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, sending thousands of messages to youtube users can actually be considered spamming. There are 100s of videos in YouTube accusing Lisa Nova for spamming. Many of these videos also showed that she posted random messages one after another in the same profiles. The videos also showed thousands of ghost accounts created with no videos, no views but a subscription to LisaNova. The petition that was started against her received 1760+ signatures. Many youtube users believe that she actually spammed her way to fame. I think we should atleast refer to the Trevor's youtube video in the article. Hikingdom 12:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

This is called original research and is not permitted on Wikipedia because it generates biased articles. Wikipedia is not a secondary source (we do not accept content written by our editors that draws conclusions from primary sources), it is a tertiary source. Wikipedia articles summarize what has been written elsewhere. You need to cite reliable sources, i.e. a notable person that has some sort of authority to speak on the issue. A random angry YouTube user or person that creates an online petition do not count. Anyone can make a YouTube account, and online petitions don't really mean anything, especially with a paltry 2000 "signatures". Please provide an authoritative source that summarizes the LisaNova spamming incident.

If you cannot source your statements, DO NOT ADD THEM! This contributes to what is known as edit warring. In the interest of avoiding the 3RR rule, I won't revert your edits, but you should learn to discuss potentially controversial changes BEFORE YOU MAKE THEM, especially because you are new and are not very familiar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. ~MDD4696 16:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you need to calm down. It's just a wikipedian article. Also, just to let you know that I have been editing in wikipedia for more than a year. However, you are right because I haven't contributed much in wikipedia and so my lack on wikipedia is less than yours. Therefore, you know better. I never said that she has spammed the people but I am just saying that it is a widespread accusation. Widespread accusations do not prove anything. To be honest, there is ACTUALLY no credible source outlining that there is ANY accusation. Mentioning that there is ANY accusation makes that part of the article fall into "secondary source" as you have so nicely outlined the position of wikipedia among the three types of sources. If we include that there are accusations I think it makes sense to call it wide since there are hundreds of videos in youtube, thousands of petition signatures and others can be found. Lisa herself has a video out referring to these accusations. If it were some random accusations she wouldn't have gone into the hassle of creating a video. That's why I just included one word "wide" before "accusation." Anyways, as I said before, you are the "wikipedia" man. :) I know you will do the right thing. Hikingdom 06:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally I consider her collaboration video in which she "enslaves" other YouTubers as a valid reference for accusations on spamming. Unfortunately, there just aren't good sources out there for analyzing YouTube trends, so without some special insight, that makes it difficult to write about. ~MDD4696 17:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why people freak out over her spam. As far as I know, she has posted ONE comment in each profile. I'd rather see one comment in my profile than 4,849 comments, which some idiots have done in the past. TanookiMario257 00:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

she commented on my accout four times (its chriscarlyeah3 if you want to cheak) her spam needs to be messtioned

You know, YouTube made it harder to spam a couple of weeks ago or so. Now when you post a lot of comments in a short period of time, you have to enter in a code to continue posting: http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youtubespamrq2.png TanookiMario257 20:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Gleaming the Tube

An anonymous user has continuously added a link to a "Gleaming the Tube" video on YouTube, insisting that it is somehow relevant to the article. I believe his or her motivation is to increase the number of views the video receives, and to disparage Lisa Donovan, rather than improve her biography. I have removed it several times due to the fact that it is not a reliable source. Any user can create and upload a video, and it is not possible to independently verify the information in it. (And anyways, it wasn't against the contest conditions to hire an outside company, so what's the big deal?)

I am following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Don't add the link to the video again unless you can justify it with new reasoning. None of the past additions have been within policy. ~MDD4696 01:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm the anon user. The motive was to add to the article! I think this decison is wrong, especially since any user can create and upload info on here like they can at YOUTUBE!!!! If the Flaming Lips story here is good enough, so should the video too!!! Violating the contest rulez don't matter, it's that it was a relevent info. This is censorship, based on the bias in your reasoning. I emailed the guy who made the video, but he won't defend it vause he knows LIsabot would just delete it anyway. Whatever! Delete whatever youi want. Its your site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.161.78.180 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the last word on the issue—much of Wikipedia is ruled by consensus in conjunction with policy. If you would like to argue for the inclusion of the video, please consider creating an account to make it easier for others to communicate with you. We need some solid reasons to include it, beyond relevance (Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information).

I haven't been satisfied with the sources for the Flaming Lips story, but I left it in with the hope that someone would provide some. However, with the amount of POV pushing going on recently I think it would be wise to adhere more strictly to the rules, so I will remove any unsourced material. ~MDD4696 21:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Third Opinion

I am responding to a request for a third opinion. I have never heard of this person, but I have some suggestions for improvements you might wish to consider.

1. "Her self-produced comedic short films, published under the username "LisaNova" on YouTube, have garnered international attention." Replace with "She self-produced comedic short films, published under the username "LisaNova" on YouTube."
2. Remove Wiki link to Zappin Productions.
3. "Donovan, originally going only by "Lisa"" Replace with "Donovan, using only the given name "Lisa""
4. Remove allusions to numbers of page views. This "11th most popular channel on YouTube with over 49063..." should be kept.
5. "she and some of her friends" - replace with "associates" or "colleagues"
6. "attracted yet more attention and views" - Remove subjective commentary.
7. "Lisa Donovan and friends danced on stage" - Remove mention of "friends," her entourage is not the topic here.
8. "casting director learned of Donovan's YouTube success" consider replacing "success" with "notoriety" or "fame" since sucess implies monetary rewards.
9. "It is unknown if she will continue into the 13th season." Remove speculation, especially since the outcome is unknown. DrippingGoofball 01:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. ~MDD4696 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I found a picture that can be uploaded to Commons, but it's not a closeup and it's kinda fuzzy. Should I add it since it's available or wait for a better one? APK ^{yada yada} 07:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Appearence in John Reuben's Music Video

She is featured in Contemporaty Christian artist John Reuben's video for "Trying to Hard." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87u9rr2UV3k&feature=channel Notable? 64.234.0.101 (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

William Donovan

In case anyone cares, according to Shay Butler (source here), who co-founded Maker Studios with Lisa, her dad is William Donovan and played the cop who walked in during the end scene of Taxi Driver (footage of cop walking in here). --82.170.113.123 (talk) 23:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hiatus

LisaNova hasn't posted a new YouTube video in roughly four years and her website domain expired on November 23, 2015. However, her Instagram is active. So does anyone know what happened to her?

YouTube (Networkselling) money? I guess. 2016-11-13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.242.26.31 (talk) 21:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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Another Lisa Donovan

I'm not super used to Wikipedia, but there is a plant biologist also named Lisa Donovan. She's a distinguished professor at UGA. We want to make an article on her for women in STEM. Could we make a redirect page?

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