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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2022

Add to "Philanthropy" section:

Argentine footballer Lionel Messi encouraged his fans to vote for Iguazu Falls in the New 7 Wonders of Nature campaign. The site is now one of the official New 7 Wonders of Nature. Melita Cameron-Wood (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: This is also WP:UNDUE here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

References

2005 FIFA Confederations Cup

Messi was in the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup squad that got to be runners up, it should be added in the honours field with a silver medal. I'm trying to do it but as the article is protected I can't. I think is the only honour missing :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipediow (talk • contribs) 12:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes Anik Chowdhury 22 (talk) 06:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

Please make the copa America 2021 medel bigger Anik Chowdhury 22 (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Which medal? I'm not seeing one in the article. --N8_wilson 🔔 00:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what exactly you want changed. Please be more specific when opening edit requests. SWinxy (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2022

Messi won the Trophe De La Champs. I would like to add that too Aaroo2005 (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 June 2022

Add finallisima winner 2021 in Messi profile as champion like others in team 103.242.189.120 (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done by another user - The 2022 win has been added, which I think you actually meant to request instead of 2021. — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Add Supercopa de Espana 2005 in Messi honours list. Barcelona official website list 2005-06 Spanish Super Cup as an honour he won. https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/players/4974/lionel-messi Mateopol (talk) 22:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done - Messi was not part of the Barcelona first team when they won the competition. — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

"Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. If reliable sources disagree, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight."

The BBC and the Barcelona FC website, used as the source for the trophies in this article, attributes the title to Messi. In fact all news outlets do. Ayenay (talk) 13:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

2005 Supercopa missing

It's missing from the honours section. It is on Barcelona's official website, and it has been reported in the media as part of his 41 titles. It's listed elsewhere on Wiki as well.BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Total goals and games for Barcelona in header.

It's not correct, it says only league goals/games. 201.175.242.213 (talk) 07:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Nope

No-one calls him Leo Messi. 46.249.227.166 (talk) 16:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Not a PlayStation

Add [like] to the quote, he’s not meaning it literally but as a metaphor. 2A02:AA1:1011:9452:AD96:1B0:5A31:224E (talk) 14:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done SWinxy (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Style of play - missing word

Messi's pace and technical ability enable him to undertake individual dribbling runs towards THE goal, 165.1.194.41 (talk) 10:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Nicknames

Lionel Andrés Messi , is also known as La pulga , which translates to "atomic flea or flea"in Spanish.His most commonly known one is Pessi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cockandball33 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Description

Widely regarded as the greatest player of all time, not Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time. 51.175.85.91 (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Cuccittini

Not full name Lionel Andres Messi Cuccittini anymore? 188.113.81.146 (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

see the note right after the name --FMSky (talk) 19:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Lifestyle and journey of becoming a successful soccer player and how he did it

Any answers 41.113.136.107 (talk) 19:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@41.113.136.107 I may not know many about Lionel Messi,but from my side he work hard for the place and archeivements he has .The man never have up and sweated hard for what he has today.

That's our legendary man 41.113.136.107 (talk) 19:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget all the HGH 👍. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Club Goal tally is wrong

Dear Team, Club Goal tally for Messi currently shows as 702 but it doesn't add up. It should be 691. Clearly during times when Cristiano Ronaldo just reached 700, Wikipedia showing Messi more than that is very controversial and wrong news. Please edit that with utmost urgency. It's a big blunder.

Thank you Aravind — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.196.201 (talk) 09:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The tally isn’t wrong, it also includes Messi’s goals for Barcelona B and C. All of Ronaldo’s goals have come for club first teams, whereas Messi has the benefit of Barca’s youth teams also playing in the Spanish league system. – PeeJay 10:13, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2022

Fixing the wrong sources. RSAH-000001890 (talk) 08:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

 Question: Which and what sources? gtgamer79 (talk) 01:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Assists

You might want to put in that he has the most assists in foot ball history 14.203.55.169 (talk) 06:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The page doesn’t show messi’s 2022 Finalisma trophy as an honour for Argentina at all

In 2022 Argentina won the 2022 finalisma trophy held in England where messi won man of the match as his side won 3-0. This trophy does count as an honour for his country and therefore should be added to the page Elliotstone25 (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Barcelona-centric lead

The current edit of the page emphasises a Barcelona-centric display of Messi's contributions as a player over his overall career as a professional footballer; I sought to rectify this (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lionel_Messi&oldid=1123696969) but my contributions were reverted by @FMSky who stated "[the page] is fine before, and barca centered isnt a bad thing, he is mainly known as a barca player". By using a club-based slant in the construction of the lead, it violates WP:NPOV, namely in relation to the requirements regarding fairness, proportionality, and impartiality (especially weight and undue weight). I attempted to engage in dialogue with FMSky on their talk page but received no response until I initially brought it to WP:3. MrloniBoo (talk) 20:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

are you aware that this article has 'good article' status --FMSky (talk) 21:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

"Good Article" status should not preclude improvements to the page; WP:GREAT says editors must focus on making pages better because there is nothing that defines a "perfect page", even good article status. The Barcelona-centric approach to the lead negatively impacts the reading of the page, as it is not a comprehensive overview of Messi's career as a professional. I am not suggesting wholesale changes here but clear priority given to a specific viewpoint (i.e., his time at Barcelona) is objectively damaging, for any page. MrloniBoo (talk) 18:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Have you even followed his career at all? he is almost exclusively known for his time at barca, so barca-centric is actually a good thing. anyway, maybe someone other wants to weigh in on this --FMSky (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Messi is known for being a professional footballer; the club(s) he has been attached to should not take precedence over his overall career (the page is about him in the singular, not about him and Barcelona) so keeping the lead under its current structure diminishes the notability to his post-Barcelona career. You question whether I "followed his career at all" but following my edit would better chronicle his career as a whole (i.e., by not being so closely slanted to Barcelona). Again, I'm not suggesting wholesale changes here and as @Robby.is.on said, the current incarnation of the page should not be precluded from improvement because of a status handed 13 years ago. MrloniBoo (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no comment on the overall dispute. But :are you aware that this article has 'good article' status is obviously a fallacious argument in more ways than one: 1. "good article" does not mean an article cannot be improved, 2. the article was listed as a good article in 2009, a large part of Messi's career has happened since then. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

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Messi moved to Spain at age 12, not 13

Interview on CBC "The Current" this morning notes that Messi moved to Spain at age 12, not 13 as stated in the Wiki article. It also notes that he moved because of a health condition, the treatment for which was unaffordable in Argentina. That part is entirely missing in the wiki article. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/lionel-messi-world-cup-1.6669331 165.189.142.148 (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

He moved to Spain at 13. His trial was in September 2000 when he was 13 years and 2 months. He finally, formally, moved to Spain in February 2001. This is well documented in numerous news articles for over 20 years.[1] We also mention his health condition, but we would need an explicit source stating that he moved for that reason alone. Instead most sources say he looked for a new club that could help cover the costs, not that he moved because of the condition. Koncorde (talk) 00:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 December 2022

Change "Widely regarded as one of the greatest", back to it's original "Considered one of the best players in the world and widely regarded as on of the greatest". I believe the "best players in the world" part was removed after Messi's lacklustre debut season in Paris. But he's back to his best, and is considered one of, if not, the best player in the world. LomaLopez135 (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. There is an invisible comment saying not to change the sentence. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 19:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 December 2022

After "before scoring with a low 20-yard strike in their next match against Mexico in which Argentina won 2–0." include: "He also provided the assist for the second goal, which made him the first player to register an assist in 5 different World Cups." 2001:8A0:FF36:F600:8589:8717:C672:DC49 (talk) 01:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

needs a source --FMSky (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Failure to discuss

@FMSky: I've asked twice that you please discuss this matter. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing.— MrloniBoo (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2022 (UTC).

I’m going to chime in here as I wasn’t part of the previous discussion. Looking at the edit you want to make, it’s a lot more than just moving the mention Barcelona from the opening para. It’s removing lines that were previously agreed upon, adding sources that are not required as they are in the article body, and also needlessly shifting material around in the international para. Keeping it specific to Barcelona which was your issue (“Barcelona-centric lead”), I don’t see an issue with mentioning them in the opening para. He spent the best part of two decades there and it’s where he made his name. It’s just one line. The club para further down then goes into much more detail. Nampa DC (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi

can u add this in section in popular culture In November 2022 BYJU'S has signed Football icon Lionel Messi as their global ambassador Thank u — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.231.253.49 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@37.231.253.49: I'd like to see a higher quality source covering this. Doesn't seem that notable and probably doesn't belong in popular culture either. Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 15:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2022

Change the full name from "Lionel Andrés Messi" to "Lionel Andrés Messi Cuccittini"

Adding his second last name which is part of his full name. 2800:23A7:F000:515:5944:A3B6:2F70:D0BD (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sarrail (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the current FC Barcelona profile shows the maternal surname in addition to "Messi." I'm not familiar with naming customs in Spain and Argentina, but from what I can tell, Spanish custom includes the maternal surname in the full name, Argeine custom doesn't. Do I have that right? Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 19:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Full name should read "Lionel Andrés Messi Cuccittini"

As it reads here on the Official FIFA website sheet of players for the 2010 World Cup. https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/7babd41a5d5684c7/original/jmjqkibkijn4zdivnjbe-pdf.pdf Memememe23 (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The admins of this page should help edit the 500 goals page

The admins of this page are very good with up to date stats. But the admins of the 500 goals page are a joke. Can the experience editors help edit that page with the updated stats? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footballers_with_500_or_more_goals — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernestwp (talk • contribs) 09:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

@Memememe23 This is already being discussed above. Please join the existing discussion rather than starting a new thread. Also, take a look at the latest Argentina squad sheet: https://fdp.fifa.org/assetspublic/ce44/pdf/SquadLists-English.pdf. Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 14:43, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Missing possessive character

Under “Style of Play” in the last sentence of the 4th paragraph, the word “teams” should in fact be in the possessive “team’s”. Stevensigurdson1 (talk) 12:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

done --FMSky (talk) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2022 (3)

2A00:23C6:7A04:8B01:DC3E:C8C6:D45:AC9B (talk) 18:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Poor grammar when talking about messi’s recent World Cup win

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2022

Lionel Messi also won his final world cup which was Qatar 2022, the final World Cup with 32 Teams} 86.174.148.252 (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Widely regarded as the greatest player of all time?

Should be "one of the greatest players of all time". Masterofnun (talk) 19:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

I believe it should be “one of, if not the greatest player of all time”. Winning the World Cup will certainly have far more more people calling him the greatest. Faren29 (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@Faren29: That is WP:OR which is unacceptable on Wikipedia. There is no consensus of such a change, as much as I personally agree with it. This should not be changed. Wretchskull (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

World Cup isnt there

The World Cup isn’t there you need to add it 2600:1700:A335:1800:709C:A18A:EF3D:BDD7 (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 22:04, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

World Cup Silver Shoe

It should be added Arkadeep Dey (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 22:04, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Call him the GOAT

It is inexcusable that the lede doesn't have a comment like "widely regarded as *the* greatest player of all time" (only says "one of"). There are few things in sports with as much consensus at the Messi GOAT claim. 2001:569:57B2:4D00:CC0F:74D:8367:8545 (talk) 02:26, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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2022 World cup

Add the title photo to be him holding the trophy, it would be an honor to him Aditya Khambete 2006 (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Images used on Wikipedia must be freely licensed. If you know of any readily available, please feel free to put it forward. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 14:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Confusing language

Granted, I'm just an American that only follows soccer every 4 years, but I found the following sentence confusing: "On 18 December, Messi made his record 26th World Cup finals appearance and won the World Cup ..." I read that as he has been the the World Cup finals 26 times, which, given that the tournament is every 4 years, would make Messi quite old. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly, but there may be others like me that are confused by this wording. »NMajdan·talk 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a bit confusing, because the World Cup tournament is officially the World Cup finals (i.e., the culmination of a 4-year campaign that ends with a 32-team event) and there's also the World Cup Final, the championship match. We could reword the start to "Messi made a record 26th appearance in a World Cup match..." or something like that? Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 16:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Number of goals

The figures in the infobox and in the lead intro don't add up... I updated the infobox to match the lead but was reverted... what's going on, is there something I'm not aware of? Synotia (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Synotia, thanks for your edit, but it was reverted because footballer's infoboxes on Wikipedia list only the players league games and goals. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 15:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

So the higher figure included friendlies I assume? Synotia (talk) 15:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

We also don't count appearances from cups (i.e Copa del Rey, Coup de France) and the Champions League in the infobox. Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 15:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Why though? Synotia (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Namely consistency. While we may be able to find statistics for every competition for modern day players, finding statistics for every competition that every player in history featured in is not as simple. League statistics are typically much more consistently documented throughout history, so it's a much more stable and comparable figure. Kosack (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2022

Comment at top of page says Messi played all his career at Barcelona, which isn’t true as he’s currently at PSG 114.129.129.231 (talk) 11:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Until leaving the club in 2021, he had spent his entire professional career with Barcelona (emphasis mine) casualdejekyll 18:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)