Talk:Leng Makara

Born into a government in exile?

Wrestlingring (talk · contribs) changed the linking of the country of birth from Cambodia to Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea. I reverted this edit. The user reinstated the edit, at the same time making a comment in my talk page about WP:BRD. I think the user may have misunderstood the BRD cycle. Wrestlingring made a bold edit, was reverted, and then (according to the BRD cycle) it was up to Wrestlingring to start the discussion. Now I have done so instead. It would be interesting to learn how a person can be born into a government in exile, so please explain. Input from others would also be useful. --T*U (talk) 08:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi T*U, I changed that edit because the People's Republic of Kampuchea was not recognized by the United Nations and was the de facto government of Cambodia. Just like how the USSR occupied the Baltics, people cannot be born where a country is occupied. People born before 22.06.1982 could have been listed as Democratic Kampuchea despite Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979. --Wrestlingring (talk) 23:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

@Wrestlingring: I really have problems following your reasoning. On the one hand, you insist on using Lithuania as country of birth during the whole period from 1918 till today, including the years they were governed/occupied by the Soviet Union. I can follow that reasoning, even if I am not quite sure I agree. At least it is a matter that can and should be discussed, preferably in a centralized discussion, so that a general consensus can be reached. In reality this is a de facto/de jure dispute that is not uncommon in Wikipedia.

The other example you have used earlier about "someone born in France 1940 don't use Deutsches Reich as birthplace" is rather obvious. They are, of course, born in France.

But neither of these examples seem to support linking people born in Cambodia to Democratic Kampuchea, Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea or to People's Republic of Kampuchea or Vietnam for that matter. Nor do they support linking people born in the Philippines to History of the Philippines (1946–65), as you elsewhere have insisted.

On the contrary, the examples of Lithuania and France should support linking all people born in Cambodia after the independence in 1953 to plain Cambodia, quite independent of de facto or de jure governments. I think this is just as obvious as the case for France, and a lot more obvious than Lithuania. --T*U (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)