Talk:Larry Pickering

Business and financial controversies section

I have added this section, supported by numerous reputable media sources, plus a ref to a Supreme Court (QLD) verdict. I am assuming that some of this info has been removed previously due to supposed WP:BLP violations. However, these events are notable, widely published from quality sources and presented so as to comply with Neutral point of view. Cruiser-Aust (talk) 06:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Bankrupt?

See Pascoe in today's SMH? Need updating? ... Thoughts anyone???

http://www.smh.com.au/business/larry-pickering--the-conman-stalking-gillard-20120820-24hxi.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.78.32.21 (talk) 09:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Bias

I cleared up the obvious bias. Somebody has quite a vendetta against Mr Pickering although citing Today Tonight isn't a good way to prove it. Jockmonkey 02:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It's still full of it - Never before or since has a cartoonist been so perfect for the times. I mean, really! -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 06:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Bias is his middle name. Have a read through pickeringpost.com What a load of drivel. He should stick to cartoons.220.244.84.219 (talk) 07:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits

I've had to revert the article back a fair way and to remove the unsourced content. Most of the unsourced content could be fixed. However, a series of recent additions raised significant BLP concerns. In particular:

• The claim that he was described as a misogynist by Julia Gillard. The source [1] notes that Gillard referred to "misogynists and the nut jobs on the internet", and many may assume the she included Pickering in this category, but she didn't name him based on the source. She did refer to his website in the article as "vile and sexist", and that Pickering was "propagandising sexist and vicious stuff", but she didn't specifically refer to Pickering as such.
• The claim that his work is "pornographic", sourced to [2]. The source notes that he includes naked figures in his work, but never describes it as pornography.
• Saying that he is still being pursued over a "$15,000,000 cold calling software scam", sourced to [3]. It is a very negative account of Pickering, and makes mention of a scam, but doesn't mention the $150,000 figure nor that he is being pursued over it.
• The claim that his emails are defamatory, sourced to [4] - possibly true, but not in the source.

Otherwise the additions are very much from a particular point of view, right down to an unsourced aside at the end to counter his stance on immigration. The previous version was unsourced, but more neutral. I've reverted back further, though, due to the unsourced content. - Bilby (talk) 05:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I have tried to copy edit based on above and my own editing.--Mollskman (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, but I'm still concerned about some of the content. In particular, saying that Pickering sent defamatory emails is controversial, but the source being used makes no mention of emails, defamatory or otherwise. [5] Stating that he is currently being pursued over a scam is also a problem, given that the source mentions the scam, but doesn't say anything about any current actions over it. [6]. It may be that the "currently pursued" refers to being mentioned every so often in tabloid media, but I'm not sure how far we can trust the source on this, and the wording in the article makes it look like this is a legal matter. And while it is clear that Gillard is upset over his comments, nowhere in the source does it say that she was upset because of his caricatures. [7] I think GenericBob had it right over at the BLP noticeboard in that there is enough being said about Pickering in the sources that there is no need to go beyond them - and given that this is a fairly controversial person at the moment, going beyond them seems particularly concerning. - Bilby (talk) 15:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Yep -- some of the remaining stuff was either unverified or reliant on non-reliable sources. I've trimmed it back again. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Point of View Template

I am adding the Point of View template to this article. This is because the information about this individual attainable through other normal methods and from credible sources is in vast contrast in tone and content to this one. Doing a quick search of 'Larry Pickering' in Google is lead by a detailed column by Michael Pascoe "Larry Pickering - the conman stalking Gillard" published in the Sydney Morning Herald in August chronicling an extensive history of highly controversial activity by Larry Pickering, including the operation of fraudulent businesses, bankruptcy, manipulation and lying. It includes references to older stories in the Australian news media about this too. The first-next non-Pickering source is a post on the semi-prominent (in Australia) blog Kangaroo Court, further detailing detailing these activities, with references to other news programs too, including multiple stories on A Current Affair before he was involved in this national political narrative. Popularity doesn't equal credibility or notability, but the prominence, nature and substance of these articles is too inconsistent with this page for a neutrality tag not to be added, and a significant revision be undertaken, for the quality of information on this page and implications its lack of may have for readers about current political events in Australia. I hope there are some editors out there with a capacity and will review these and other sources and do this. Tom W (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Which text specifically are you concerned about? What improvements do you suggest? --Surturz (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Surtzurz, I've just changed the template to a Missing Information template, as that seems more appropriate. Specifically, I would like to see a paragraph towards the bottom detailing his pattern of dubious activities since leaving mainstream journalism; running fraudulent business and conning people, and bankruptcy etc. as mentioned in the above referenced articles, with some mention in the intro. Particularly current text that concerns me is, "For the next thirty years Pickering focused on other pursuits, such as training racehorses and growing tomatoes" which just glosses over these significant events with no qualification, when there is a whole lot more involved. Tom W (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I'd previously thought about using the SMH piece, but the problem is that it doesn't read in a way that engenders trust - when I read it, it felt more like an attack piece, with a lot of claims that lacked full justification. The Sunday coverage would be much better, I suspect, if we can get access to it. I don;t have a problem with including these issues, but given that it is potentially libellous, I'd like to be very cautious about sourcing and wording. - Bilby (talk) 02:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bilby, we need to tread carefully to avoid WP:BLP vio. Multiple reliable references for any claims is the best way forward (I don't think kangaroocourtofaustralia counts). Pickering has also claimed involvement in the Italian father immigration case too, would be nice to know if some refs could be found for that. --Surturz (talk) 03:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Big Chunk Missing ....

... about his residence in the Lower Hunter region of NSW. Pickering skipped town owing a lot of local people a lot of dough. People there still turn round and spit on the ground if his name is mentioned. No hero he of Mangrove Mountain and thereabouts. 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:74A6:757:C1A4:C482 (talk) 10:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)