Talk:Kriangsak Chamanan

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Why is this article under "Kriangsak Chamanan" when all other sources spell it "Kriangsak Chomanan"? Languagehat (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Summary: I think "Kriangsak Chamanan" is correct (or more correct). (I can't explain "Kriangsak Chomanan", except that it might be outdated, unofficial, or accidental.)

To see how the other Wikipedia language entries spell his surname, hover over the entries in the other-languages column of this article. To see the information as a table, go to wikidata:Q561177 and scroll to "Wikipedia" the end of the page. (There is no anchor to link to.) Of 11 Roman-alphabet entries, 10 use "Chomanan", and only 1 (English Wikipedia) uses "Chamanan". The Russian entry, "Чамаманан", agrees with the English entry. (I can't address the Arabic, Malaysian, or Chinese.) The original Thai, "เกรียงศักดิ์ ชมะนันทน์", is obviously the starting point.

Being in the minority makes the English (and Russian) articles appear probably incorrect. However, it is possible that the English and Russian titles are correct, and all the non-English articles got it wrong.

We fear that Wikipedia might have picked up a mistake and is propagating it. (It wouldn't be the first time.) We don't want that. But we don't want to replace a correct convention with something less correct. How to be sure?

I tried and failed to find a predominant or official transliteration of this name. Even searching only *.th sites. "Chamanan" and "Chomanan" seem roughly even in English (leaning toward "Chamanan", but agreement with Wikipedia could explain that); "Chomanan" might predominate in other languages.

Should names from other writing systems be romanized (transliterated) once for all Roman-alphabet languages? Or are differences acceptable or even preferable, to preserve pronunciation? (Spanish/German/etc. "Wang" ↔ English "Wong"?) (German "Steinman" → English "Steinman" (kept the spelling, damaged the pronunciation); German "Steinman" → Russian "Штейнман" → English "Shteinman" (changed the spelling, preserved the pronunciation).)

There are written guides, but I can't process them. Romanization of Thai: Royal Thai General System of Transcription, ISO 11940, ISO 11940-2, BGN/PCGN 2002 Agreement.

Online thai-language.com makes "griiangM sakL chaH maH nanM thaH" (t-l Enhanced), "kriːaŋ sàk tɕʰá máʔ nan tʰá" (IPA), "kriangsak chamanantha" (RTGS), "kriaŋsàkchámáʔnanthá" (AUA), "krīangsakchamanantha" (ALA-LC), "griang-sàk′-chá′-má′-nan′-tá′" (Bua Luang), "griang sàk chá má nan tá" (Paiboon).

Online babylon-software.com makes "Kriengsak Chamanun" (more annoying variations, but it agrees on the "a").

Google Translate transliterates "เกรียงศักดิ์ ชมะนันทน์" to "Kerīyngṣ̄ạkdi̒ chma nạnthn̒"; with no vowel between "ch" and "m", so it is no help. Google Translate translates it to "Kriangsak chamanan" in English and "Kriangsak chomanan" in other languages, but it might be sourced from Wikidata (except for the errant change to lowercase), so it isn't a firm indication. Google Translate translates "เกรียงศักดิ์" to "Kriengsak" (another unwanted variation) and "ชมะนันทน์" to "Ma Chor Rananand", also not helpful.

"Cha..." seems standard versus "Cho...", but most transliterations include a final "ta" or "tha" that gets omitted. That seems reflected in the two redirects to this page, "Kriangsak Chomanand" and "Kriengsak Chamanand". -A876 (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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Page ignoring human rights abuses and refoulement of refugees

Why does the page make no mention of the Preah Vihear refoulement of 45000 Cambodian Refugees that took place when he was Prime Minister? The section on Humanitarian Principles trying to make him seem like a glowing humanitarian is a bit ridiculous