Talk:Hyoyeon/Archive 1

Archive 1

Notability

Im struggling to see how Hyoyeon would be considered notable to have her own article. She doesn't meet requirements for WP:MUSIC, since she's only part of one notable group. Nor has she had any proper out of group solo activities, that is apart from the occasional cameos and such. Being bold, isn't helping since this article keeps being recreated. Can please show me what type of notability criteria she meets? + TNW 15:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The only thing is that now, Hyoyeon is the only remaining member without a "legit" solo page. I know that WP:OSE isn't a valid argument per se, but if argued correctly, it's debatable. Also, new or inexperienced editors won't be aware of the various guidelines and just (re)create whatever. It would be silly (and kinda wrong) to just monitor the page and just constantly revert to a redirect when there are other editors who disagree. SKS (talk) 04:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from. Though, just because some editors disagree, doesn't make it silly if they do not have a base to stand upon. Regarding the WP:OSE argument, I don't think it applies, sure, the common ground is that all the girls are in Girls' Generation. However, the other members have had more solo activities than Hyoyeon. + TNW 13:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have to say that Hyoyeon really does not meet the notability requirements and I think SKS also came to this conlusion. (here) By the way, the history of Hyoyeon, Hyoyeon (Korean entertainer) and Hyoyeon (entertainer) is a bit messed up, because instead of moving EunSoo took this version of Hyoyeon (entertainer) and copied it to Hyoyeon. But this wasn't the first time. Before this other users copied User:Z1uz/HyoYeon to Hyoyeon, Hyoyeon (Korean entertainer) or Hyoyeon (entertainer) but I can't remember the exact versions... --Dr. Crisp (talk) 14:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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Article of Hyoyeon in Spanish

I created the article of "Hyoyeon" in spanish, please add them to the other languages. "es:Hyoyeon". --Eddual (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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Kim Hyo-yeon → Hyoyeon – As with the other Girls' Generation members, she is known mononymously. Her surname is rarely referred to outside of fansites. Per WP:STAGENAME and existing naming conditions, the page should be under Hyoyeon; it redirects here anyway, and there's no other use for that term. --Relisted UtherSRG (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2012 (UTC) SKS (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. WP:STAGENAME doesn't say anything about dropping off surnames. The guideline that covers this situation is WP:NCP: “Don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." This guideline gives Oprah Winfrey as an example. The subject gets a surname in her band's KBS profile and in SeoulBeats, as well as on the fan site which came up first for me when I Googled "Hyoyeon". In both the English- and Korean-language versions of the Korean press, she is “Girl's Generation Hyo-yeon” (소녀시대 효연), or "SNSD's Hyoyeon". So the mononym is part of a trademarky gimmick that puts the name of the band constantly in the Korean media. Perhaps the nominator assumes that if the subject appeared in other contexts, she would drop off "Girls Generation" and use a mononym. But that's not necessarily the case. In film credits, band members may be given by full name, as you can see here. Kauffner (talk) 17:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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move to just Hyoyeon

given that the articles of idols such as leader bandmate Taeyeon and Shinee Taemin are just their first names, shouldn't Hyoyeon's too be Hyoyeon instead of her full name? just like the other two, she almost never goes as Kim Hyo-yeon Geoyui (talk) 07:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I support this move. As stated in the first sentence of the article, she's known in the entertainment industry as Hyoyeon or DJ Hyo. Solemn Penance (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I disagree per WP:MONONYM in previous discussion. Evaders99 (talk) 03:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

"Oppose. WP:STAGENAME doesn't say anything about dropping off surnames. The guideline that covers this situation is WP:NCP: “Don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." This guideline gives Oprah Winfrey as an example. The subject gets a surname in her band's KBS profile and in SeoulBeats, as well as on the fan site which came up first for me when I Googled "Hyoyeon". In both the English- and Korean-language versions of the Korean press, she is “Girl's Generation Hyo-yeon” (소녀시대 효연), or "SNSD's Hyoyeon". So the mononym is part of a trademarky gimmick that puts the name of the band constantly in the Korean media. Perhaps the nominator assumes that if the subject appeared in other contexts, she would drop off "Girls Generation" and use a mononym. But that's not necessarily the case. In film credits, band members may be given by full name, as you can see here. Kauffner (talk) 17:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)"

explain why Taeyeon's and Taemin's articles are just their first names, but not Hyoyeon's, despite her, again, never going as her full name. furthermore, pages of the former two's names exist at Tae-yeon (name) and Tae-min (name), Hyoyeon's of which does not have a page

I suppose articles of Jimin and Jungkook of BTS also support our argument

The only reason someone like 2PM Ok Taec-yeon is written as his full name is because he does go by his full name when he's an actor Geoyui (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Considering that Taemin's article recently got moved on 25 November from Lee Tae-min to just Taemin, shouldn't Hyoyeon's, too? Oh yeah, and his talk page at Talk:Taemin (formerly Talk:Lee Tae-min) previously spoke about this at here in the section "Requested move 18 November 2022". If he got plenty of "Support" votes, then so should she. Geoyui (talk) 22:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

not to be rude, but does anyone keep in touch with the discussion, especially given someone like Taemin—who is one of her juniors—got his article moved at some point? it's been months already since the last comment (by me) Geoyui (talk) 02:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Geoyui Fyi, nobody would already follow this discussion, only page watchers would see it and even then they wouldn't really be bothered to chip in unless necessary hence why you see yourself replying to yourself. If you want the article to be moved, you can start a formal requested move discussion by following the instructions at WP:RMCM instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kim Hyo-yeon → Hyoyeon – Obvious case of WP:COMMONNAME. Subject has never used her full name professionally is widely known and referred to mononomously as "Hyoyeon". "Hyoyeon" is unambiguous and currently just exists as a redirect to this article.

Only other option would be "Hyo", which she started using relatively recently, but "Hyoyeon" is still by far the most common way she is referred to by reliable sources.

References to "Hyoyeon" in relatively recent English language reliable sources: The Chosun Ilbo [1], Korea JoongAng Daily [2], NME [3], Maeil Business Newspaper [4], VN Express [5], NME [6], United Press International [7], South China Morning Post [8], ABS-CBN News [9],

In normal circumstances this could probably just be an uncontroversial WP:BOLDMOVE but there was a previous discussion 12 years ago that prevents this as a matter of policy - I'm surprised it's taken this long to be formally brought up again. RachelTensions (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Support per rationale. orangesclub 🍊 01:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: to rename as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 03:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Random86 (talk) 04:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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