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Pre-merger and post-merger distinction

​Should there be different articles for the original party and the refoundation? They are technically different parties. Ezhao02 (talk) 14:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Split. The Japanese Wikipedia has two articles on this set of parties. ArguaBILL (talk) 14:18, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Davide King, since you changed the political position, could you comment on this? The term "centre-right" was specifically describing the historical party, not the party in its curernt form. Ezhao02 (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Ezhao02, hence why At this time, the party was described as centre-right. There are things that are better discussed in the main body than filled up the infobox. Perhaps there should be different articles. Davide King (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think they are very clearly different parties, so this page should be split. Ezhao02 (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm against splitting the document. Kibō no Tō are not at all different parties, and there were many extreme rightists in the party in 2017.--삭은사과 (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@삭은사과: I thought they were legally re-founded when the merger happened. Am I wrong about this? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 00:09, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@삭은사과 and Davide King: According to this website, which leads here about the dissolution and here about the re-founding (click the PDFs), it seems like the party officially dissolved before the re-founding. Additionally, the Japanese Wikipedia has separate articles for the parties. Ezhao02 (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

If the party officially/legally dissolved and was re-founded, then I think we should use separate pages. Helper201 (talk) 08:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'd appreciate if the editors involved here would also comment on this similar matter - Talk:Democratic Party for the People#New DPFP, how to handle?. Helper201 (talk) 09:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Davide King, do you have a preference for whether the article should be split? I'm wondering if there's a potential notability issue. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Ezhao02, I really do not know. Could you please link to the two separated articles in the Japanese Wikipedia? Davide King (talk) 15:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Davide King: Sure thing! The two articles are here: ja:希望の党 and ja:希望の党 (日本 2018-). Ezhao02 (talk) 15:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I think the only editor who opposed this split is 삭은사과, who has since retired. Would this count as a consensus, or have too few editors been involved in this discussion? I wonder if, as Helper201 mentioned, we should connect whatever decision is made to the decisions made for the DPFP and the CDPJ. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Its very subjective really. I'll let you decide. If you are not sure you could always open a request for comment. I have tried posting about this and related matters on WikiProject Japan, but haven't received any input as yet from there. It would be helpful if there was a WikiProject Politics of Japan, maybe we should set it up? Helper201 (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I'll try to open an RfC (if I remember the process). Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 23:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Helper201: Well...WP:RFCNOT specifically says not to use an RfC for split proposals (like this one). I'll try to ping the editors who have responded to the other discussions instead. Ezhao02 (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

​​​Pinging editors who have responded to the discussion for the CDPJ. Ezhao02 (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Split. Regarding the comment of 삭은사과, the new party is formed by the small minority of the old Kibō no Tō who voted against the merge so the membership is different. Here’s a handy chart:

Northern Moonlight | ほっこう 00:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Split there is a significantly difference between these two reincarnations Braganza (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)