Talk:Kaiser roll

Does anyone know how Kaiser rolls were named? 66.65.152.2 02:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Since I am from Vienna it`s my privilege to explain it to you. ;)

The original is called over here "Kaisersemmel", basically it`s just your usual plain Viennese "Semmel" (no sprinkeling on the Kaiser please) made out of wheatmeal and without the "Kaiser". The term "Kaiser" in connection with food relates to something beeing richer and better in taste or greater in size then normal (ie fit for the Kaiser): Kaiserschmarrn, Kaiserfleisch, Kaisermelange. Most "Semmeln" are nowadays machinemade but if you ask for it in a bakery shop you will also get handmade ones (called Handsemmel) which are a bit more expensive. In Vienna they look like this: http://admin.world-direct.at/cm/applications/33/images/1_504972005_21881926850.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.137.216 (talk) 18:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

At the time when the Vienna Bakery at the Paris Exposition of 1867 won "First in the world" award, the sole use of cereal-press yeast (forerunner to today's commercial baker's yeast) and new dough was a relatively new product. The sweet-fermented Kaiser-semmel was considered a "premium" product that was said to be in very high demand (I read that as "brought a premium price" or "fit for the Kaiser"). Nowadays, baker's yeast based bread products are mundane and ubiquitous, but apparently not so way back then. See Vienna bread for more detailed info and cites. Gzuufy (talk) 23:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

ach die engländer wollen mich wohl veräppeln. ein simples brötchen ist das! als ob das in polen als kaisersemmel bekannt wär. ich schiess mich ab. das ist doch ein fake-artikel^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.48.45 (talk) 02:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

ich mein natürlich: your Kaisersemmel is just another word for "Brötchen" bread roll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.48.45 (talk) 02:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Falsch, denn die Kaisersemmel ist eine ganz spezifische Variante!-- 178.115.30.55 (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"Kaiser Roll", is purely an American English descriptive term. It is always, and without exception (not ever!), described as a "Vienna Roll" in British English. To the British ear, a Kaiser Roll sounds like a joke concept rather than something that really exists, it is a completely unused and unknown term in British English (and possibly Australian too?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.20.141 (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hand folding a Kaiser roll

A reasonably explicit series of images along with a description of how to fold a Kaiser roll the old fashioned way (and not using a stamp or cutter). In The Bread Baker's Apprentice, Peter Reinhart recommends using a stamp or cutter to make them, or alternatively, to use what he calls the "knotted roll" technique demonstrated on page 82. Gzuufy (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed the hand folded ones are superior as the structure is not just on the surface and propagates down into the bread. Here is how to do it the right way. [1] 198.2.5.101 (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Making

'Today, Kaiser rolls are made by hand or by machines.' - That doesn't really add much - Is there a third method that they used to be made by, or that they could be made by now (but aren't)? If not, it's a bit like saying 'Today, Kaiser rolls are eaten indoors or outdoors.' I've reworded this to 'Kaiser rolls are often produced by machine, as well as by hand', as I presume that this is what was meant --82.70.156.254 (talk) 18:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

"Kaiser Roll", is purely an American English descriptive term. It is always, and without exception (not ever!), described as a "Vienna Roll" in British English. To the British ear, a Kaiser Roll sounds like a joke concept rather than something that really exists, it is a completely unused and unknown term in British English (and possibly Australian too?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.20.141 (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me that this could be one of those terms (like "House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" and "German Shepherd") that fell out of favour during the Great War. Google Books Ngram Viewer (search parameters: "vienna roll,kaiser roll", 1800–2019, British English corpus, case insensitive) disagrees, though. Apart from a spell in the 1910s, "[kK]aiser roll" was practically unused until the 1950s. "Vienna roll" seems to have been the preferred term until the late 1980s, when "[kK]aiser roll" took the lead. The 2011 rates show 60 n% (nano-per cent :-) "Vienna roll", 193 n% "kaiser roll", and 203 n% "Kaiser roll".—dah31 (talk) 00:08, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Kummelweck

Hello,

there is a redirekt from Kummelweck to this page, and also a link from Beef_on_weck_sandwich (Link text: Kummelweck).

However, here is no Kummelweck section, and this sort of bun is not even mentioned. Perhaps, a former section on this topic has been removed, or been moved to a separate article.

Could some kind soul please disentangle this mess?

Thanks, -- Knottel (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I reversed the edit which deleted the section. Gzuufy (talk) 01:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Apparently the section keeps getting deleted, but those who do the deletion do not seem to take any initiative to edit the redirects. Thus, I tend to believe that the deletions are unhelpful. I've made my preference known by reversing the edit once, however, I do not wish to have an edit war. Gzuufy (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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Origin

This brief section manages to be completely contradictory. Is the Kaiser roll named after Joseph II? Or Franz Joseph?

Proposed merge of Michetta into Kaiser roll

The explanation of difference between these is incoherent ("removed the internal crumb"?) and the single source is a 19th-century vocabulary Spudlace (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose: modern sources for the distinction has been added since the merge was proposed, and now independent notability is clearer. Klbrain (talk) 15:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 12:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)