Talk:Joseph Plottel

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This article has been compiled from my own copywright work - Gary Vines, Cross Street Electrical Substation Footscray, Report for City of Maribyrnong July 2007 Biosis Research Pty Ltd. section 5.3 ARCHITECT JOSEPH PLOTTELL Some text has been idrectly used and other sections rewritten.

'jewish decent' edits

There are only 9 pages on Wikipedia identifying people as being of Jewish Decent. Plottel is already identified under Category:Australian people of Jewish descent "Jewish Architect" might be ok - there are 144 Wikipedia pages with this term, and there are also extensive List of Jewish architects and List of Jewish American architects, - but as comparison there are only 9 references to "christian architect", 53 to "catholic architect', 16 to "muslim architect" and no "atheist architect", suggesting some bias in the jewish architect designations. As Plottel did not exclusively work on religious commissions, and his religious or ethnic background has not been identified as having a special influence on his style, then I think it better not to include this point in the articles lead paragraph.Garyvines (talk) 03:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed; the Manual of Style also backs you up on this point. However Jewishness can be both an ethnicity and a religion; Wikipedia goes into exhaustive detail about this subject at the article Who is a Jew?. Wikipedia has always had a tendency to over-represent people in categories about Jewishness – it's hard to tell whether it's due to Jewish pride and identification with people of their own religion/ethnicity (fair enough) or antisemitism (not good at all); it's probably a bit of both. Graham87 03:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Suggested corrections and additions

Some suggested corrections to Joseph Plottel's age and some additional information.

Joseph Plottel died 28 May 1977. His wife Rachel died 02 Jan 1975. See "Index to Wills, Probate and Administration Records 1841-2007" (PROV): http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

From Index to Deaths in Victoria (1921-1985): Joseph Plottel died in Toorak in 1977, age 93, Reg No 11883. Parents' names given as Philip Plottel and Sarah Hyams. Rachel Henrietta Plottel died in Toorak in 1975, age 88, Reg No 189. Parents' names given as Maurice Gross and Celine Isaacson.

Two items dated 1939 (not yet scanned) found on National Archives of Australia (http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Logon.asp?N=guest), entitled:

Applicant - PLOTTEL Joseph; Nominee - SCHOENBERG Max Moses; SCHOENBERG Minna; nationality Austrian

Applicant - PLOTTEL Joseph; Nominee - FEIN Gustav; FEIN Hertha; MESSING Erich; FEIN Helene; MESSING Emma; nationality Austrian and Czechoslovakian

NAA: A261, 1939/1522, 1939/1523.

Note: Series A261 is Application forms for admission of Relatives or Friends to Australia (it appears Joseph Plottel may have assisted friends or relatives to move away from the shadow of Nazi Germany).

Marriage of only daughter Philippa May Plottel to Cpl Rolf Hallenstein reported in The Argus, 12 May 1943. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11345424 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallys3rdSon (talk • contribs) 00:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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