Talk:International Habitation Module

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 19:34, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that size and weight of the I-HAB was limited just in case it launches on Falcon Heavy, rather than NASA's Space Launch System? Source: https://www.academia.edu/41545013/INTERIOR_CONFIGURATION_CONCEPTS_FOR_THE_GATEWAY_IHAB
  • ALT1 ... the International Habitation Module might be taken to the moon by a commercial company, rather than NASA?
  • ALT2 ... that SpaceXs Falcon Heavy might steal a payload from NASA's SLS?
  • ALT3 ... that SpaceX might steal a payload from NASA?
  • ALT4 ... that the International Habitation Module comes with optional arms?
  • ALT5 ... that the International Habitation Module has the right to bear arms?
  • ALT6 ... the International Habitation Module may be taken to the moon by commercial company SpaceX, rather than NASA?
  • ALT7 ... the design of the International Habitation Module was changed in case a commercial company, SpaceX, took it to lunar orbit, rather than NASA?
  • ALT8 ... that ESA astronauts used virtual reality to verify the design of the International Habitation Module?

Created by Seddon (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Some close paraphrasing [1]

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
• Interesting: - Not interesting to a broad audience.

QPQ: - x - Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Transquaking_River - noted by Seddon ^talk 19:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Overall: (t · c) buidhe 20:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Personally I thought the original hook could have been interesting, but maybe it's because I have an interest in astronomy and spaceflight, and I do understand where the concerns about lack of interest to a broad audience are coming from. With that said, perhaps a hook about it being the main habitat module of the Lunar Gateway or a hook about it being planned to launch at the same time as a crewed Orion spacecraft would work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Seddon: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
• @Narutolovehinata5 and Buidhe: - I've created some optional hooks. Seddon ^talk 03:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The ones about "stealing" the payload have promise and could work as April Fools hooks, but I'd like to hear other thoughts on the matter (in any case, they're better than the original hook). @Buidhe: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about how April Fool's hooks are done but is it verifiable? The article doesn't mention "steal". (t · c) buidhe 03:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The article says that it could "switch" launch providers, which isn't necessarily a "steal". However, for AFD hooks we do tend to be more loose with the allowed wordings, hence why I suggested that those wordings could work for AFD (they would be too imprecise to work on any other date). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

In addition, while ALT4 could work in case the "steal" hooks don't work out (and unlike those hooks, could probably run on a regular set on the quirky slot), the issue right now is that the article makes no mention of the arm being "optional" (in addition, there's a minor typo in a nearby sentence: "maybe" instead of "may be"). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• I've taken the liberty of bolding and labeling the alternate hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Buidhe for another look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, so I'll let someone else evaluate the alternate hooks. (t · c) buidhe 02:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• If we have to to go with an April Fools Day hook, I think ALT3 is the best option since it's both accurate and quirky at the same time, without giving away too much (which seems to meet the spirit of DYK hooks more). Given concerns with the "steal" wording I'm only supportive of that term being used if it's an April Fools hook, but I guess others can also have other opinions. I don't think ALT4 is usable on any date as nowhere in the article suggests that the Canadarm that will be used for the module is "optional". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I have to note that the nominator proposed a new hook above as a possible AFD hook (ALT5), but I'm also leaning against it for the same reasons as ALT4: the article doesn't state that the arm in question is "optional". In addition, said hook talks about the right to "bear arms", but unless it's referring to the "robotic surfaces" mentioned in the article then it appears the subject only has one arm, so the hook is inaccurate too. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, are you going to approve any of these hooks for AFD or not? If not, and you think we need another opinion, please ask for it at WT:DYK, because AFD is fast approaching. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I would very much welcome another opinion. I myself have an interest in astronomy and spaceflight and so my opinion on if the hooks are interesting or not may be skewed, so I was hoping for a second opinion from a more disinterested editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

• I am disinterested in space-related topics, and I think ALT1 is interesting. What is the source for this hook? The copyright concerns here still need to be addressed before it can be approved. There are also a few instances of WP:CITEFOOT errors, where the reference comes after the punctuation and a space, which also needs to be cleaned up. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

None of these hooks are AFD-ish IMO, except ALT5, which is simply inaccurate and thus disqualified. Gatoclass (talk) 03:21, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't oppose the hooks running as regular hooks, perhaps in the quirky slot? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:41, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

• Now that AFD has largely passed, the April Fools stuff is now largely moot. Still, we need a final decision on the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I have struck the original hook, ALT2, ALT3, and ALT5 per comments above, leaving ALT1 and ALT4 as possibilities for regular hooks, since AFD is past. Reviewer needed to check these hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
• Okay, since no one else has picked up this nomination and the planned-for-AFD hooks have now been struck (all of which I had reservations about), I'll be taking over the review. As I mentioned before, ALT4 is problematic: the hook states that the IHM has multiple arms and that they are "optional", when neither of them are stated in the article (the article only mentions a single arm, and it's not "optional"). That leaves us with ALT1. ALT1 I think is okay, the problem is the link to SpaceX is an easter egg; it might be better to mention SpaceX explicitly then mention that it's a commercial company than the easter egg thing. ALT1 is not the best hook but per an above comment it may have some promise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:05, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: I've added an ALT6. The copyright issue is driven by unavoidable technical names. I've also fixed the citefoot issues. Seddon ^talk 00:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

ALT6 may need to be revised because not everyone may be familiar with SpaceX. Given that the core hook fact is the module potentially being brought to the moon by a commercial company, it may be a good idea to mention that SpaceX is one. Also, I do have some concerns about WP:CRYSTAL and so maybe the hook needs to be revised to clarify that it's only a proposal for now and SpaceX (or any commercial company for that matter) bringing it to the moon is still not sure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

• I've taken a look at ALT7 and I'd word the first part as "the design of the IHM" rather than "the IHM design". In addition, the article notes that it launching on the Falcon Heavy is only a possibility and as of right now the plan is still to launch it on SLS; thus, the hook needs to be clarified to reflect this. On looking at the article again, I noticed a fact I had originally missed: virtual reality was used by ESA for crew training. Perhaps a hook based on that can also be proposed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
• Thank you for the edits. The nomination is almost good to go; I have struck all hooks except for ALT7 and ALT8. My only remaining concern is that the article may still need some copyediting for grammar. The nomination will be approved once this has been accomplished. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
  • User:Narutolovehinata5, go see what you think. Yes, copy edits were necessary... Drmies (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Repinging Narutolovehinata5, since original ping went awry. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• Done. What hook to use is the promoter's choice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)