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Est. 2014?

Is category Association football clubs established in 2014, what is typically used, when the club/organization was given permision to join league. Or should it be when the club is actually formed and ready to play in 2 years? WikiVirusC^(talk) 20:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Why the move?

The move was undiscussed. It's not clear that this will be the team's common name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree, the common name in English appears to be "Inter Miami" or "Inter Miami CF". Clubintermiamifan (talk) 16:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, but now "Miami" is misspelled in the page name. And the club doesn't use periods, just "CF". I tried moving this back, but the redirect page has the old name so I couldn't. Anyone more fluent than me want to change the name of this page back to the original "Inter Miami CF"? 18:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

This is better, but we still have the periods. That's a convention not seen with other team pages, nor by the team itself. SixFourThree (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

Show some sources that use the name. However they spell it—with or without the CF, with or without periods, with our without "Inter", with or without Miami—that is where this article should land. Vague comments are useless. I will return the article to its current location until we start seeing the tam's WP:COMMONNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

For a start, there's this press release from MLS Communications[1]. The team's website is bare-bones, devoid of content at the moment, but their official Twitter[2], Instagram[3], and Facebook[4] pages all list the club's name as "Inter Miami CF". The team and league are good sources to start, which is perhaps why the name has been picked up in media coverage of the event:

Sports Illustrated: "David Beckham's MLS Expansion Team Has a Name: Inter Miami CF"[5];

ESPN: "David Beckham's MLS team named Inter Miami CF ahead of 2020 season launch"[6];

the Independent: "David Beckham has announced that the name of his MLS expansion club is Club Internacional de Futbol Miami, shortened to Inter Miami CF"[7]; and

the Miami Herald: "Inter Miami CF will be the shortened version of the team name"[8].

Seems pretty clear that they've settled on an official common name for the club, including punctuation. This article should reflect that. SixFourThree (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

I agree with CF. After a moderate search, I could hardly find any references to C.F. from any media outlet or blog (besides this Wikipedia article). I realize that the team is very new still and the commonname may change but the name with periods is OR at this point. "Inter Miami CF" is the clear choice for now. BLAIXX 22:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

And that's my concern - the longer this OR name is up, the more likely some media outlet is going to pick it up, and then the OR becomes enshrined. There aren't any sources using "C.F." but we have multiple sources for "CF" including the team, the league, and major media outlets. I really don't see why this change should be in question. SixFourThree (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Media outlets do not rely on Wikipedia for their naming, they rely on what the league tells them to write. Feel free to provide the sources and open a move discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Nobody should rely on Wikipedia as a source, but we know many people do. Including professionals who ought to know better. Sources are already provided above, I'll look into a move discussion. Thanks! SixFourThree (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

NM, I see it below. SixFourThree (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

You've made the logical fallacy of equating the media—who I state above take their orders from the leagues—with people at large or the populous. We rely on the former. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Nah, I'm remembering the debacle where somebody edited the Green Bay Packers page to claim their "G" logo was intended to stand for "Greatness". That false factoid got picked up by a sideline reporter and repeated on national television, which then got added to the page as a reliable source.[9] It took weeks and the intervention of the team's official historian before we could straighten out that mess.[10] Best not to leave errors up on a page any longer than is necessary. SixFourThree (talk) 14:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

You know, when you don't fact-check, you're just repeating lies. http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/116283759.html Wikipedia was not the source of that, it was a victim. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:50, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Now I'm getting confused. I hope you're not accusing me of not fact checking or repeating lies, because the source you and I both cited lists Wikipedia as both the source and victim of the error. "some think his bad information came from a tidbit that a Packers fan added to Wikipedia last summer. The site now attributes the claim to Barber, so it's gone fully circular." I'm just glad we now have a move discussion so we can correct this erroneous assertion before some other television personality picks it up without fact-checking and it too goes fully circular. SixFourThree (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

Not at all. The fact is that someone did change that article and an athelete stated it in a telecast. No fact checking with jocks. So we were likely used to convey that. The point I was making was that broadcasters and news agencies fact check, and do not use Wikipedia as a source. Moot point since sources have been provided that show COMMONAME is without the punctuation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

"CF" is the spanish commun abbreviation for "Club de Futbol" like for "VALENCIA CF" or "BARCELONA CF"... "CF" and not "FC". "FC" witch is the english acronym for "Football Club" like for LIVERPOOL FC. So for your "Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami" maybe dig in this hispanic direction. Just an idea... 2A01:CB08:B48:BB00:35FF:FFBF:281D:7EF7 (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

... and I was wrong it was "REAL MADRID CF" and "FC BARCELONA" precisely because FC BARCELONA was created by Englishmen and a Swiss. 2A01:CB08:B48:BB00:B9BC:B1FB:6675:CDC5 (talk) 13:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 14:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Inter Miami C.F. → Inter Miami CF – As per the discussion on the talk page, the name without the periods is far more common and is used by official sources and the media. BLAIXX 15:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 15:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Until there is proof that it's the WP:COMMONNAME, there's no need to move it again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Perhaps I am confused with Wikipedia's naming policies but under what rational should the article be titled "Inter Miami C.F."? The article's first title after the team was given a name was "Inter Miami CF" before being moved to "Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami" and then "Inter Miami C.F." by an editor "moving it back" until further discussion. That editor probably should have moved it back to "Inter Miami CF" (they may not have been able to for technical reasons) but I think that's where it should be now and where further discussion should take place. BLAIXX 15:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • You are confused. I'm not saying that it should be named Inter Miami C.F. I'm saying that until we know the COMMONNAME, we should stop moving the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
      • I am not confused. You are effectively saying it should be named Inter Miami C.F. by opposing the page move. The only reason the article is at this location at all, is because an editor moved it here in an attempt to revert an undiscussed page move! I am proposing we follow through on that attempt which requires a technical move. BLAIXX 17:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
        • This move is discussing whether the article should be moved or not. The undiscussed move was wrong. Why would we compound that problem with another. The only relevant point is what the team's COMMONNAME is or is not. Until that can be established, I see no need to move the article again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
          • Because correcting a mistake is not itself a mistake. It's a good. SixFourThree (talk) 16:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree
• Oppose A common name has yet to be established. Until then, there is no reason to move again. Let's give it time. Clubintermiamifan (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support All other MLS clubs do not have periods in their titles (excluding D.C. United for other reasons). Team is being promoted without the periods. If WP:COMMONNAME is the argument being used to keep it at "C.F." then we should determine all MLS teams common name. Does anyone really call The Crew, Crew SC? I was watching highlights today, never did I hear anyone call the Whitecaps, Whitecaps FC. I heard a lot of people call new New York City FC, NYCFC or just New York City. Common name is subjective in the case of a league like the MLS where in the grand scheme of things, it's a young league and culture is still evolving and being borrowed from other leagues and history. (Bes2224 (talk) 23:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC))
  • You're absolutely right. COMMONNAME isn't quite as strict as you've made it out to be. You would be surprised what the commonname for clubs are and where their articles are. See the lists linked from List of top-division football clubs in UEFA countries and List of top-division football clubs in CONMEBOL countries as a start. For instance, Chelsea F.C. is commonly called Chelsea and it has the periods, and A.F.C. Bournemouth (with the periods) is known as Bournemouth. In a more direct comparison, we have FC Barcelona (no periods), Real Madrid C.F. (with), Villarreal CF (without), Valencia CF (without) and CD Leganés (without). So consistency is not an expectation. This is why we should not be moving this article again until we actually know what the COMMONNAME is going to be. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Yes La Liga is not the same across the board but the EPL is. Each league is different. Up until now, every team in MLS that has an FC or SC in their name, have no periods in the name on Wiki. Not using the periods hits all 5 points on WP:CRITERIA, of which consistency is a factor. (Bes2224 (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC))
• Support strongly - the club is already using the common name Inter Miami CF across its social media.[11][12][13] The league is using the name Inter Miami CF in its official press releases.[14] The media, national and local, is using the common name Inter Miami CF in its coverage of the club.[15][16][17][18] In contrast, a Google search returns only one source using Inter Miami C.F.... this page.[19] To insist that we should be using the periods here is not only a violation of WP:NOR but also of WP:COMMONNAME itself, which states "(Wikipedia ) generally prefers the name that is most commonly used". No justification was given for the name change in the first place, and there's ample evidence that it should be changed back. SixFourThree (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree
• Support based on the links provided by SixFourThree to show that the it would be the team's WP:COMMONNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support based on rationales above and league norms. SounderBruce 02:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support AOTA -Clubintermiamifan (talk) 05:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Messi rumors

Lionei Messi has rumors surronding him for a move to inter miami. Make a "Possible Transfers" section and put him in that section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.60.69.15 (talk) 00:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Rumours are not encyclopedic. We generally only discuss facts. The only exception would be if the rumours started to make national or international headlines, and they affected his play time Barcelona. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, well, well... Zilch-nada (talk) 15:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Sponsorship

To expand on my edit summary... I found this source but it says the deal is not yet officially announced. We could frame it as being under discussion, using for example this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry. I missed that the source was Daily Mail, and when I searched, I found nothing finalized as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2023

Add that Lionel messi is a part of the squad Benstone84th t 5 (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It is not clear what you mean. Can you please provide an exact copy of the text you want added, where you want it added, and any applicable reliable sources? Tollens (talk) 05:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

All the sources say that Messi is set to join, Wikipedia will wait until he actually joins them. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I think a sentence in the history section mentioning Messi is warranted since this is receiving significant coverage from major outlets. I agree that he should not be added to the roster. BLAIXX 16:01, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Owner link for Jose Mas is currently wrong

Owner link for Jose Mas is currently going to "MasTec" instead of "Jose_Mas" 2601:1C0:5E81:BB0:A84F:574B:2ED9:4074 (talk) 01:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Lionel Messi He's at Inter Miami!

The players are wrong, Lionel Messi is a player and is not in the article and still nobody can change it to fix it! Enzodraw30 (talk) 01:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Messi

Messi join the inter miami cf 91.135.240.16 (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2023

Messi 2A02:2F0E:B11:B300:D44F:F28C:7E53:B0C (talk) 18:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Where is Lionel A. Messi?!

Lionel Messi already confirmed that he went to Inter Miami so why in the "players" part not Messi? (Note: This error is also on Lionel Messi's Wikipedia page!) Enzodraw30 (talk) 01:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

He hasn't signed yet, and isn't on the squad list yet. If you read any of the comments on this talkpage or the Messi talkpage, you would know this. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2023

Scouting agent BosShiesty (talk) 17:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Busquets to Inter Miami

Busquets has officially joined Inter Miami so he should be on the squad. 82.172.63.241 (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Ranking is not from a reliable source

The article cites a ranking that is sourced to something called "footballalphabet.com." As far as I can tell, it has no official backing. It is not organized by a well-known media organization like, for example MARCA, or France Football. It has no famous author (in fact no information is given by the author.) I clicked on their Twitter and they had 66 followers https://twitter.com/FootbAllphabet.

Of course, Twitter followers isn't the be-all, end-all, but my point is that this is an essentially random website which to my knowledge has no reliability and isn't notable.

Looking over their rankings, any football fan would tell you they seem strange as well. Two Brazilian clubs are ranked in the top 5. Al Ahly, from Egypt, is ranked #10, ahead of FC Barcelona. And Al Hilal from Saudi Arabia is ranked ahead of Juventus, Manchester United, and Sevilla. That does not make much sense.

This section should be deleted. BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 14:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I'm not sure if you understand how the ranking works. It is based on the last 5 years with an increased weight starting from 50% (2019) to 100% (2023). For example, the UEFA Champions League winner gets 300 points, while the CAF Champions League winner gets only 135 points. But because Al Ahly dominated African football, they managed to gain a lot of points, reaching the top 10 (they won 3x Champions League and 3x Egyptian Premier League, while Barca won only 2 league titles). Something similar happened with Al Hilal in Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, Al Hilal finished 2nd in the last Club World Cup.

Agree with the first point. It is not an official or known source. It is a platform created by fans for fans, which strives to provide the most accurate world ranking. Pretty sure it will never become official, but hope will spread to the world and doing the right thing, will gain some credibility. 2A02:2F04:C00D:F200:5757:9F37:1CD3:6D46 (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I mean your system makes sense to you, and that's fine, but it doesn't to me and doesn't to most people. Any other person can make another site that contradicts this, or 100 other sites that are different, there's no particular reason to favor one over the other.

>Agree with the first point. It is not an official or known source.

Then it should not be included. We can have a disagreement about how accurate it is, but ultimately our two opinions don't matter, it's when it gets accepted by reliable sources that it should be included. Until then, it's just a random site made by some people. BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2023

Dear

I’d like to be able to keep this Wikipedia page up-to-date. I’ve already edited multiple other pages, mostly in Dutch, but I want to expand it to English. I’m also a big Messi fan, so the ability to help editing this page about Inter Miami would be an enormous honor! My English isn’t perfect, but if I’m not sure about the spelling of something, I’ll always search for the answer!

Sincerely Zebousjewoush Zebousjewoush (talk) 15:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The page is semi-protected, so you can't edit until you become autoconfirmed. If you have any specific changes you want done, you can request them here until you become confirmed. WikiVirusC^(talk) 16:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear WikiVirus

In your answer to my request you mentioned that it wasn’t clear what changes I want to make. I’m sorry for not providing you with enough examples. First of all I would add more information about its history. That’d be useful because than someone who wants to know more about Inter Miami’s history for a presentation, paper, writing a book etc. wouldn’t need to search across as many sources as when the wikipedia page has more information. Secondly I would also update the records and club ranking sections after each match. Perhaps it would also be useful if there were more subtitles. For this task you don’t really need me, but just like you mentioned in the end of your message I could always say specific things that could change in my opinion. For example I would add subtitles in the history section, perhaps to make sure to everyone when it’s another year. Because when I read the page, it was sometimes unclear when what happened chronologically… There is nothing specific I’d like to change in the ‘X to Y’ format, but perhaps I’ll find something while editing.

If you have any kind of trust issues that I’m going to do something horrible or something with your page, it’s fully understandable. I wouldn’t trust someone instantly either. You can check my previous edits. I’ve never raided a page. I’ve only helped to improve Wikipedia. I’ve edited multiple pages on a big scale and even made a new page. Like I mentioned in my previous request; I’m a big Messi fan. I know extremely much about him and with this project (editing the inter Miami page) I want to know more about the club and its origin. Your goal with this page is to expand knowledge and perhaps even fascination about the club. This goal is exactly what you’d accomplish with allowing me to edit this.

If there’s anything you want me to send you or provide you with, feel free to ask. If there’s any reason why you can’t give my this permission, it’s fully okay. Perhaps, I’m not going to have a nog enough impact… But I’ll always try to be as productive as possible :)

Sincerely

Zebousjewoush Zebousjewoush (talk) 17:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

You submitted an edit request without any specific changes, which is what edit requested are for. As for your ability to edit this page, see the second part of my response "The page is semi-protected, so you can't edit until you become autoconfirmed." If you want something specific to be changed you can request it on talk page, but becoming autoconfirmed is only requires having 10 edits and your account being older than 4 days. As long as you don't game the system, it shouldn't take you long to get to the point of being able to edit the article yourself. WikiVirusC^(talk) 17:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

It says that Fort Lauderdale, FL is a suburb of Miami. But Fort Lauderdale is its own city. It’s not a suburban area especially not a part of Miami and is in a different county of Broward County. Miami is in Dade County. 2601:581:4502:BF10:3D49:BFC4:F54F:BC0 (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Inter Miami CF

put a semi protected lock on it permanently like all the miami teams have on 2601:589:4984:3C00:94E9:B808:5E95:29C1 (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)