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No company and crown both were different. The rebellion was not against crown but was against East India company rule, their was indirect rule of britain before rebellion. After rebellion the east india company rule ended and lead to start of direct crown rule from British Empire.
It's like saying during American revolutionary war, it was British victory as colonizers or patriot forces were also majority british. It's misleading.
You can write in result: End of company rule in India.
Beginning of British Raj or direct crown rule. It's accurate
What? Sorry that makes no sense, the Company was British, many of the troops were British and they won. It was a Brirsh victory. Butr this is all I am going to say, your argument makes no sense. Slatersteven (talk) 11:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Buddy company lost all of India administration to British crown. Are you some joke sitting here without knowing a little bit of history. I have done MA in Indian History. One more thing is wrong and pretty sure you also don't known it The main cause of mutiny was not land taxes etc they were indirect reasons but the main cause of the rebellion was a fake rumour that the company new cartridges were greased with pig and cow fat which lead to outrage amoung both Muslims and Hindu soldiers and they refused to open it with mouth after which they killed their British officers and marched towards delhi to meet shah jaffar. It is nowhere mentioned in here too. If someone went to give government exam by reading this Wikipedia page he will fail all the questions😂 2409:4051:2D8F:7A80:CC21:1C4E:C85F:967C (talk) 13:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
The "result" parameter in Template:Infobox military conflict is restricted in what it can say. To quote from the template documentation "result – optional – this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive". The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say. In cases where the standard terms do not accurately describe the outcome, a link or note should be made to the section of the article where the result is discussed in detail (such as "See the Aftermath section"). Such a note can also be used in conjunction with the standard terms but should not be used to conceal an ambiguity in the "immediate" result. Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat". Omit this parameter altogether rather than engage in speculation about which side won or by how much." DuncanHill (talk) 13:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are fighting here like small child British won... British won... and here I am like fool trying to correct this page for those people that prepare for government exams from Wikipedia.
First You give me the source that it was East india company victory because this rebellion was against the company rule and which dissolved. Which effectively means Indian victory as the rebellion/war cause was fulfilled the company rwas overthrown and ended permanently. If company rule didn't end then it was India lost the rebellion.
But I am not immature like you over fighting who won, who lost
Read a book instead of banging it on your head. The EIC was predominantly comprised of mercenaries. There were more other European diaspora than British, which were all outnumbered by the number of Indian sepoy that worked within it. Rancid Boar (talk) 02:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
A large number of scholarly books are referenced in the lead. Please explain cogently what your claim is. If your reply is intemperate, as your last one was, you risk getting no response at all, and in the face of repeated offence, WP restrictions and penalties. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk»19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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End of British Company rule in India, Begin of Direct Crown Rule, Multi Faceted Impact
Source Result of Rebellion: Chat GPT Who won or Lost Indian Mutiny One more source:[1]
In the third paragraph the main and biggest cause of mutiny is not written which is animal flesh cartridges which cause the revolt
" The Indian rebellion was fed by resentments born of diverse perceptions, including invasive British-style social reforms, harsh land taxes, summary treatment of some rich landowners and princes,[1][2] and scepticism about the improvements brought about by British rule.[a]Mutiny1857 (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Not sure what to say, Azimullah Khan Yusufzai, known as the Man behind the Indian War of Independence who planted the idea of anti-British rebellion in the head of Nana Sahib inspired by the Islamic Ottoman Empire and the perceived weakness of British soldiers in Crimea, was responsible for staging rebellion at Kanpur, he died along with and just exactly like the other rebel leaders after escaping to Nepal shortly post-1857. Wrote India's first national song, one for independence.
from the unknown, Azimullah Khan like a star, passed to the unknown. And, yet, during the interval he moved acioss the sky like a sun. True, he was not alone: there were other stars and sun which deluged the heaven with their radiations. To recall a few, there was that old venerable pole-star of the revolution, Bahadur Shah Zafar; there was that huge exploding star, the Rani of Jhansi; there was that inant star of Lucknow, Maulvi Ahmadullah; and of Bihar, Kumar Singh there were my riads of satelites scattered all over. Finally there were the great comets, Bakht Khan and Tantia Topi dashing across from horizon to horizon. But the fact remains that the deluge of radiant energy of freedom emanating from the different orbs, had its source in the fountain head of only one body — Azimullah Khan. All movements, all revolutions, even conspiracies and mutinies, require the cooperation of all persons associated with it and, in this sense, every individual participating in the movement is equally important whether he is the spy, the sepahi, or the commander of a regiment. In the last analysis, however, the man who stands above all is the man who has concieved of the movement, who has hit upon the idea, so to say, and given it an articulation, a voice, a purpose and a goal. That one man was, beyond doubt, Azimullah Khan. It was he who first of all, thought of it at London. ~ Syed Lutfullah
Tell me why he isn't a leader of the war. @RegentsPark
@RevolutionaryPatriot: Thanks for your detailed explanation and for attempting to seek consensus rather than edit warring. On Wikipedia, fringe views are not given much, if any, credence. You would need to provide reliable sources from mainstream histories of the rebellion to support the inclusion of this material and you're not going to find any. That is the reason why your material is not includable in this article. RegentsPark (comment) 10:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The book titled Man Behind the Indian War of Independence is good enough to provide reason and explanation. The subject was an ideological leader, prime instigator in the eyes of the British themselves and influenced the major military campaigns of the conflict. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, he was Nana Sahib's military commander who was behind Cawnpore, of military background which is why all illustrations of him are him armour. But renowned to be so educated (for an Indian) with the languages he spoke, was also heavily involved in intelligence gathering for planning the actual revolt hence he also used his political, diplomatic wisdom throughout the war, do you feel that it is something that takes him out of the fold of consideration for a "Commanders and leaders" box. Perhaps ironically, if he played a less prominent role without utilising his other skills he'd be included in the infobox no problem? He continued working towards financial and military support against the British after 1857 till death. He was more than a military strategist who expanded the rebellion's reach, collaborating with leaders like Tatya Tope and the Ran of Jhansi. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Everything I have seen about him says he was not a millitary commander but a political advisor. So bring forth sources saying he was.
Yes by the way, being a diplomate does kind of take him out of the picture, lists of commanders tend to be those who command armies or in a given battle, not who are just part of a court. Slatersteven (talk) 17:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, that is a prominent role of his. It is no reason to consider him as solely some peace diplomat of a court.
The military planning and intelligence of the war is thanks to Azimullah Khan. He was apart of the battlefield as a senior military advisor, a person who was a soldier himself.
as the British were going to enter Cawnpore, Nana Sahib, Tatya Tope and Azimullah Khan debated about what to do with their captives[1]
Nana Sahib’s most trusted commander Azimullah Khan[2]
Examples of the listed equivalence of Azimullah to other commanders on the infobox:
Along with Nana Sahib, Azimullah Khan, Ahmadullah Shah, Kunwar Singh, General Bakht Khan, Azizan, Begun Hazrat Mahal and other heroes, he is among the tallest figures of grand Indian struggle to the Company rule[3]
Bahadur Shah Zafar, Ram Mohan Roy, Nana Sahib and Azimullah Khan who were important figures in the revolt of 1857[4]
So then (at n=best) a subordinate commander. and the last part would be an argument for removing them if they did not hold independent commands.Slatersteven (talk) 18:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Azimullah Khan's role (along with that of Nana Saheb) in the 1857 rebellion was played up, motivated by different ideological viewpoints and goals, both by early British colonial history writers and by Indian nationalists (eg, Savarkar). This has continued till date in the popular and hagiographic writings online and in newspapers. But in recent decades historians have reevaluated and now believe that Azimullah played a role of more moderate importance. See, in particular:
And in Wagner don't just read pages 2-3 where Azimmullah is mentioned because the author later in the introduction deconstructs these conspiratorial narratives. Which is not to say that Azimullah Khan is a figure of no importance. For example, see
Azimullah plays a relatively prominent role in Ward's account of the Siege of Cawnpore.
(TL;DR) In this article, I would suggest name-dropping Azimullah Khan somewhere in the body though not in the infobox. Siege of Cawnpore can go into some further details about what he did there. And the Azimullah Khan article can be considerably expanded and strengthened using the above listed sources, for example, instead of relying on dated non-WP:HISTRS sources and newspaper profiles. Abecedare (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
So a reversion of my edit in full, excluding the infobox name listing. Im still not convinced on him not being in the infobox, but the edits on the rest of the article are to be included. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 05:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I wish you had waited for a consensus to develop but in order to avoid another revert cycle, I have tweaked your addition (diff from your edit; diff from status quo). If there are still any disagreements on if/how to mention Azimullah Khan in this article, anyone is welcome to restore the status quo and we can continue the discussion per WP:BRD. Abecedare (talk) 14:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Regarding the former: Essentially for the same reason as for not listing Azimullah Khan along with Nana Sahib in the infobox. The concerned sentence is By 1859, rebel leaders Bakht Khan and Nana Sahib had either been slain or had fled and it would be incongruous to add Nana Sahib's aide's name to that list of "rebel leaders".
As for the latter: The literature sentence India's first national song was made during the War of Independence, Payam-e-Azadi or ‘The Message of Freedom’ written by Azimullah Khan Yusufzai was published from Delhi in Urdu and Hindi. made an extremal claim of being "India's first national song" that is not even supported by the (non-HISTRS) cited sources of a CPI (ML) party publication and a GoI website, which qualify their claim with "what can well be called" and " one of the first nationalistic...", respectively. And with those qualifiers, the claim becomes WP:UNDUE.
So, Azimullah Khan couldn't be listed there because he can only be considered as below Nana Sahib, hence not relevant to the readers wanting to know the outcome of the war regarding the fate of leaders of the revolt.
Is it that you don't believe it is the first national song of India?
Anything else called "India's first national song" is after 1857, more like during Independence movement prior to 1947. Hence there is no confusion for the readers as nothing predates this, because it's india's first nationalistic/patriotic national song. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 08:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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