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House of Mathrafal cadet branch. edit

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There are 2 stories for the house of Mathrafal cadet branch. However the most reliable is the Welsh source cited- Llwyd, Angharad (1832). A history of Anglesey. pp. 60–63. - A History of the Island of Mona at Google Books

@Academia45: Please read the source which explains Mathrafal was one of three cadet branches of Wales when the country after split into 3 Kingdoms by Rhodri the Great. The 3 houses emerged from Gwynedd, Deheubarth and Powys. The article details should be changed based on the Welsh source, and not the confused European point of view it has followed. Cltjames (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sir Bernard Burke is a more reliable source than Angharad Llwyd as he was the Ulster King of Arms, despite some inaccuracies. He represents the College of Arms, thus the British Crown. Angharad Llwyd was an antiquary and despite talking about the splitting from the Welsh chronicles, I'm not quite sure I understand what the problem is.

As stated in your reference : "Rhodri, when he ordained these laws, must have been little acquainted with human nature, to image such regulations were sufficient to counteract, at a distant period, the wild passions and ambition of princes".

Just look at the Tudors, their claim was weak... truth is those who take power make new rules, and who gets the claims change as a result. The source doesn't give any information about the cadet branches either, and about the Nannaus, I didn't see a reference where it is said that they are co-representatives of Mathrafal either, only that they are descendants.

I don't think it is about pushing Welsh sources or European sources or whatever, simply finding reliable references about a topic. So many references on the House of Aberffraw page are from blogs that would never pass Wikipedia guidelines.. Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources. I would not be surprised that a contributor of the Aberffraw page created the website now linked to it called : https://houseofaberffraw.org/ ? Academia45 (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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