Talk:Helen Fisher (anthropologist)

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Edofedinburgh 02:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete by an anon user?

Let's see, User:204.16.72.212 put a speedy delete on this article. Helen Fisher was a readlink on several pages, especially love and love (scientific views), for over a year before I wrote this article. A quick check at Amazon.com, clearly shows that she is the leading author on the topic of the chemistry of love. Her works on the neurochemistry of love have been cover stories in Time, The Atlantic, and National Geographic; there's also a German Wiki on her. This one is a no-brainer. I will copy-paste material from other articles into this one add a few refs and then contact an Admin to remedy this issue. --Sadi Carnot 07:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Advert tag

Hello,

I have put an advert tag that has been twice deleted by an anonymous user. I would like this person to identify him/her, and provide a description of possible conflicts of interest (do you know Ms Fisher, do you work for an online dating service?).

My reason for nominating:

• There is a flurry of links to books with ISBN, but there are not quoted by the article
• There are links to dating websites, that are not necessary. No self-respectful scholar would put these commercial links as anymore than a side note
• All the links are to mass media and not to peer-reviewed articles in respectable journals.

In addition, I think your IP address matches, Web Media Ventures, LLC [1]. Can you confirm?

Actually, Web Media Ventures and Match.com were both aquired by Ticket Master [2] so I believe there is a clear conflict of interest. Tony (talk) 03:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Anyone? I will start deleting unless there are some objections. Tony (talk) 03:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Does seem a bit too much like an advertisement to me as well. Pengortm (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Keirsey and MBTI dispute

Is Fisher the one who proposed the connection with Keirsey temperaments, or is that the independent speculation of an editor? Why is the MBTI linked to on the page, if there is no mention of it in the article? --Rick DeLong (talk) 15:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Fisher said the following in an interview (Cupid's science):

"Plato came up with these four types, and then Aristotle, and Galen in the second century A.D., and then Carl Jung. We've known about these types for hundreds of years. What I've done is add that biological component. ... Frankly, I would not have made up new names if I had known the originals. You can't beat Plato."

The link to the MBTI is just a general link - a little bit like linking DOS in an article about Linux. 217.236.228.57 (talk) 22:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Do you know of anywhere where she discusses the actual correlation (in her opinion) to Jungian types? Her statement above seems naive, since all the thinkers named defined the types in different ways. I had not heard, for instance, that Jung felt he was simply reinstating Plato's types. The main thing in common between these systems is simply the number 4. However, Jung proposed 4 functions, not 4 types. The 4 temperaments are Keirsey's innovation. So, when Fisher mentions Jung and his "four types" (actually, he had 8 or 16, depending on who you talk to, compared with 12 for Fisher), that has little if anything to do with Keirsey. Furthermore, upon taking her test and reading some articles about her system, I cannot understand where the proposed correlation to Keirsey temperaments comes from. They are entirely different in theoretical basis and in description. --Rick DeLong (talk) 16:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I haven't encountered a Fisher article where she specifically links and/or differentiates the theories (maybe she never did). I don't know how far developed her type system actually is. It was probably a mistake to add the phrasing "corresponding Keirsey temperament" (and should be removed as not sound enough) – the reasoning was the following – her linking to Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and Jung is superficial anyway ... . 217.236.213.6 (talk) 10:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The actual link between Jung, Aristotle, Plato, and Keirsey/MBTI, as systems of psychology, are the four classical elements, humorism aka four temperaments, and their specific use and (re-)interpretation within Western astrology. While Jung was still entirely open about the fact that his psychological types were deeply rooted in astrology, Keirsey and Myers-Briggs claim Jung's and their psychology would be independent of those concepts beyond simply dumping the stars (which Jung definitely did *NOT* do, BTW). That's obviously what Fisher is referring to in said interview. --2003:EF:1706:3227:F9C4:CA90:DAB7:BFB8 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Symmetrical men and women?

"Symmetrical men and women begin to have sexual intercourse earlier, have more sexual partners, engage in a wider variety of sexual activities and have more casual sex."

The section that contains this sentence has no context for what "symmetrical" means. I might presume it relates to the respective sizes of the hemispheres of the brain, but that is not at all clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.212.216 (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Im an anon but what the hell; She means symmetrical bodyfeatures... We're hardwired to find symmetry attractive, as it usually is linked with fewer genetical defects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.41.187.83 (talk) 18:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I have read much of the concept of physiological symmetry in current popular scientific writing, but there appears to be no specific gradient of "symmetrical" to "asymmetrical" in terms of human pysiology, i.e. no graphical definition of the extremes or the mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.50.0 (talk) 14:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

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Media appearances mentioned in lead

Normally I find myself bulking out leads that are too thin. In this case, a couple of Helen's appearances in mainstream media seem a little stretched for lead inclusion. — MaxEnt 02:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

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