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Follow-up of crimes and alleged crimes; Decommissioning og military unit; him being reported to police and JAG; review by Auditor General edit

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I question the reasons why the following info has been repeatedly removed from article,

"Criticism:

Follow-up of crimes and alleged crimes committed by Norwegian ISAF soldiers in Afghanistan:

The Judge Advocate General(krigsadvokaten) criticized Sunde in October 2010, as a result of Sunde's command's not having notified military police after claims had been made about war crimes possibly having been committed by Norwegian soldiers.^[1] (The only crimes which were acknowledged by soldiers, were a number of instances of spraypainting images of skulls (Totenkopf) onto buildings belonging to civillians — to show that Norwegian soldiers (of Telemark Battalion) were in charge of their area of operation in Afghanistan. The crimes involving spraypainting, have not been prosecuted by Norway as of 2011.)

Decommissioning og Home Guard unit HV-016:

The decommissioning of HV-016 led to criticism by Jan Reksten (a former Chief of Forsvarets operative hovedkvarter (FOH) and retired vice-admiral) — "It is Norway's parliament that decides on the [general] tasks and organization of Forsvaret. Therefore it is totally wrong for a government agency's chief to decommission a unit without consulting the parliament."^[2]

Verdens Gang wrote in December 2011, that the decommissioning has led to "massiv criticism".^[3]

Formal complaints against Sunde reported to police and JAG:

Former members of military unit HV-016 have filed complaints with Norwegian Police and with Judge Advocate General, against Sunde in 2011.^[4] Spokesman for Forsvarsledelsen, E.Kvarving, has acknowledged the existence of the formal complaints and declined to comment any further.^[5] The police dropped (henleggelse) the complaint later in 2011, and the appeal of that decision is being reviewed by the office of the District Attorney of Oslo (Oslo statsadvokatembete).^[6]

Review by Office of the Auditor General:

On December 12, 2011 media reported that the decommissioning of the unit will be investigated by the Office of the Auditor General.^[7] (3 years earlier, the same agency found "a lack of tracibility within the documentation for significant decisions" at the defence ministry.^[8])"

--85.165.229.124 (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

"Impartiality questioned by Norway's political leadership" being removed edit

I disagree on removing the following: "Impartiality questioned by Norway's political leadership: On 6 June 2013 then minister of defence was still waiting for an outcome of an evaluation of Sunde's questioned impartiality when Sunde participated^[9] in hiring the chief of Norwegian Special Operation Command^[10]—Karl Egil Hanevik.^[11] Sunde was best man at the wedding of Hanevik, and he is a godfather to one of Hanevik's children. On June 7 the defence ministry's juridiske avdeling found that the relationship between Sunde and Hanevik had not resulted in a lack of impartiality.^[12] Parliament's Standing Committee on Scrutiny and Constitutional Affairs is waiting for the defence minister's written report, before the committee will evaluate the need for action on its part.^[13]

In a 8 June 2013 newspaper editorial Trygve Hegnar said about Sunde that if one has such poor judgement, then one ought to step off [or resign].^[14]"

References edit

^ Verdens Gang, October 9, 2010 p.6: Generaldvokat Arne Willy Dahl angriper forsvarssjef Harald Sunde for å la være å varsle militærpolitiet etter påstandene om krigsforbrytelser., from the article Slakter at Forsvaret gransker seg selv(translation: The Norwegian Military criticized for investigating itself), by journalist Marianne Johansen.
^ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10024091 "I november i fjor gikk pensjonert viseadmiral og tidligere sjef for Forsvarets operative hovedkvarter (FOH), Jan Reksten, langt i sin kritikk av forsvarssjefen overfor Aftenposten: - Det er Stortinget som fastsetter oppgaver og organisasjon for Forsvaret. Derfor blir det helt feil at en etatssjef legger ned avdelingen uten å ta det opp med Stortinget, sa Reksten."
^ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10024091 "Ved nyttår la imidlertid forsvarssjef Harald Sunde ned avdelingen. Han mente det ikke var bruk for dem lenger. Det har han fått massiv kritikk for."
^ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10097543
^ "Anmeldt av sine egne", Aftenposten, 2011-08-10 page 2 by Nicolai Heyerdahl: "Talsmann Eystein Kvarving for Forsvarsledelsen bekrefter at han er kjent med anmeldelsen, men ønsker ikke å kommentere innholdet."
^ http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/11/02/nyheter/arbeidsliv/harald_sunde/anmeldelse/forsvaret/18854990/
^ (translation of title: Faremo and Sunde under the magnifying glass) "Faremo og Sunde under lupen" "Nå vil Riksrevisjonen gå gjennom hvilke vurderinger som ble gjort i Forsvarsdepartementet under behandlingen av den betente saken. ... Nå skal dette følges opp, og VG får opplyst at nedleggelsen av Heimevernsavdelingen HV016 i fjor blir gjenstand for undersøkelser."
^ (translation of title: Faremo and Sunde under the magnifying glass) "Faremo og Sunde under lupen" "For tre år siden avdekket revisjonen svakheter i beslutningsprosessene i Forsvaret. Der ble det slått fast en «manglende sporbarhet i dokumentasjonen av vesentlige beslutninger»."
^ - Hvis jeg skulle være inhabil fordi jeg kjenner noen, så måtte jeg erklære hele Forsvaret som inhabilt
^ Spesialstyrke-sjef utnevnt i dag
^ Strøm-Erichsen visste ikke om Sundes forlover-venn
^ - Forsvarssjefen var ikke inhabil
^ Frp og Høyre tviler på vurderingen av Sunde
^ Hegnar, Trygve (2013-06-08). "En slapp general". Finansavisen. Problemet er ikke først og fremst valget av ny sjef til SOA, men det at landets øverste militære leder ikke ser problemstillingen. Har man så dårlig dømmekraft, burde man vel tre av. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |quote-language= ignored (help)

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[1] Verdens Gang, October 9, 2010 p.6: Generaldvokat Arne Willy Dahl angriper forsvarssjef Harald Sunde for å la være å varsle militærpolitiet etter påstandene om krigsforbrytelser., from the article Slakter at Forsvaret gransker seg selv(translation: The Norwegian Military criticized for investigating itself), by journalist Marianne Johansen.

[2] ttp://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10024091 "I november i fjor gikk pensjonert viseadmiral og tidligere sjef for Forsvarets operative hovedkvarter (FOH), Jan Reksten, langt i sin kritikk av forsvarssjefen overfor Aftenposten: - Det er Stortinget som fastsetter oppgaver og organisasjon for Forsvaret. Derfor blir det helt feil at en etatssjef legger ned avdelingen uten å ta det opp med Stortinget, sa Reksten."

[3] ttp://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10024091 "Ved nyttår la imidlertid forsvarssjef Harald Sunde ned avdelingen. Han mente det ikke var bruk for dem lenger. Det har han fått massiv kritikk for."

[4] ttp://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10097543

[5] "Anmeldt av sine egne", Aftenposten, 2011-08-10 page 2 by Nicolai Heyerdahl: "Talsmann Eystein Kvarving for Forsvarsledelsen bekrefter at han er kjent med anmeldelsen, men ønsker ikke å kommentere innholdet."

[6] ttp://www.dagbladet.no/2011/11/02/nyheter/arbeidsliv/harald_sunde/anmeldelse/forsvaret/18854990/

[7] (translation of title: Faremo and Sunde under the magnifying glass) "Faremo og Sunde under lupen" "Nå vil Riksrevisjonen gå gjennom hvilke vurderinger som ble gjort i Forsvarsdepartementet under behandlingen av den betente saken. ... Nå skal dette følges opp, og VG får opplyst at nedleggelsen av Heimevernsavdelingen HV016 i fjor blir gjenstand for undersøkelser."

[8] (translation of title: Faremo and Sunde under the magnifying glass) "Faremo og Sunde under lupen" "For tre år siden avdekket revisjonen svakheter i beslutningsprosessene i Forsvaret. Der ble det slått fast en «manglende sporbarhet i dokumentasjonen av vesentlige beslutninger»."

[9] - Hvis jeg skulle være inhabil fordi jeg kjenner noen, så måtte jeg erklære hele Forsvaret som inhabilt

[10] Spesialstyrke-sjef utnevnt i dag

[11] Strøm-Erichsen visste ikke om Sundes forlover-venn

[12] - Forsvarssjefen var ikke inhabil

[13] Frp og Høyre tviler på vurderingen av Sunde

[14] Hegnar, Trygve (2013-06-08). "En slapp general". Finansavisen. Problemet er ikke først og fremst valget av ny sjef til SOA, men det at landets øverste militære leder ikke ser problemstillingen. Har man så dårlig dømmekraft, burde man vel tre av. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |quote-language= ignored (help)

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