Talk:Hamer Hall

disambig page or cover the Australia one as "primary use"?

I notice that the disambiguation page covering several Hamer Halls was edited to cover just the Australia one. I will return this page to that disambiguation usage, and copy the Australia material to a new Hamer Hall (Australia) article. I don't believe that the Australia one is so much more significant as to meet criteria for it to get the primary usage topic. If someone disagrees, go ahead and open a wp:RM requested move discussion on the topic. But it is not correct to replace a dab page by a different page, the proper move should be done, following some proper consideration. I'll watch here. doncram (talk) 01:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The three houses (in Illinois and South Carolina) are houses, not halls. Their NRHP entries refer to them as "House" and not as "Hall". Indeed the only place I can find that refers to them as "Hamer Hall" is this page. Really they belong on Hamer House, which I had set up as a disambiguation page. Then there's "Hamer's General Store", which as the name suggests, is a general store and not a hall. Again, its entry in the NRHP refers to is as "Hamer's General Store", not as "Hamer Hall". Again, the only place I can find which refers to it as "Hamer Hall" is this page.

We are left with the concert hall in Melbourne and the house in South Carolina, the only one of the other entries here which is actually referred to as "Hamer Hall" anywhere other than this page. To me it's clear that the concert hall is the primary topic for this term: the vast majority of incoming links to this page intend to refer it, the vast majority of search engine results for "Hamer Hall" refer to it.

With reference to the disambiguation policy, do you have any reasons why the concert hall is not the primary topic for this term? --bainer (talk) 02:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The page was a combo dab page covering NRHP places named Hamer Hall or Hamer House, plus the Melbourne Hamer Hall. It never implied the "House" ones were being refered to as Hamer Hall. However, in practice in the U.S.'s National Register, many places which are named "Hall" are in fact houses. Probably the South Carolina Hamer Hall one is a house....hmm, yes, it is a house, as confirmed by this South Carolina department of archives and history webpage about it. It has often worked well to list the "house" ones and the "hall" ones together. In this case, it would put the two Dillon County ones together, the "James W. Hamer House" in the same county as "Hamer Hall" and associated with a different member of the same Hamer family.

A quick google search turns up another Hamer Hall, an athletic venue at California University of Pennsylvania, by the way, which i added to the dab page.

About the Hamer Hall in Australia being primary or not, I don't think it is so obvious. I expect it is better known in Australia, but the South Carolina one is older, dating from 1890, and perhaps equally or more important. Any place which is a current music venue gets lots of google hits. If you named a nightclub "The White House" it would get more hits than the home of the U.S. president, but that would not make it more important, wikipedia-wise. doncram (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it is not at all obvious which Hamer Hall would be "primary". I can't see any problem with just using the disambiguated titles for all of them. It seems much clearer to me to have it that way than to have those looking for a house in SC linked to an article about a venue in Australia. I think it's a service to readers to avoid that sort of confusion whenever possible. Lvklock (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)