Talk:Gun law in the Czech Republic

The subjective part update/removal

So how about removing the "General attitudes to guns and efforts to tighten the law" section, since this is more or less speculation and isn't objective. Furthermore "popularity of guns" section should also be updated to include only statistics that proves/disproves the the popularity fact. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find some recent gun ownership statistics. Taboracek (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

• I added references. I was not able to find any statistics regarding approval/disaproval of guns, however I found out that sport shooting is 3rd most widespread sport after soccer and hockey, which, I think, itself shows the general attitude. The gun ownership statistic of 2010 added.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality

I'm concerned that either this article does not hold a WP:NPOV or it is not sufficiently sourced. Examples include repeated phrasing that the Czech Republic is liberal compared to other countries, that guns are not "excessively" popular, and the "General attitudes to guns and efforts to tighten the law" section explaining the reason for the liberal laws. DoubleBlue (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

v —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.106.130 (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• The phrase about being liberal country is further elaborated in the article, nevertheless I added wikilink to Gun politics in the EU.
• Gun licences/Guns are very easy to get, yet the percentage of owners is around 3%, of guns around 7%. Seems prooving the point.
• Added history section, which shows, that liberal attitude is typical for CZ, restrictions were introduced by Nazis/communists/EU. Added reference regarding the rise of crime following the fall of communism.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 12:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

disagreement

I dont understand why repeating that czech republic has a liberal gun law is a problem since it is obvious if you compare it to other gun laws described here in wikipedia. The article is well sourced. The main source referes to the actual gun law. I understand you do not know czech but that doesnt mean the sources are not relevant. The fact that guns are not excessively popular is true. I admit that the word excessively could be replaced with something more appropriate so feel free to do it :-) but the statement is well supported by the statistics of the department of state containing the number of licenses and crimes commited with legal guns. The part "General attitudes to guns and efforts to tighten the law" describes the general background of the gun law reform in the 90s. I wish other czech people could express their opinion and im sure they would agree that this is a commonly accepted point of view and not any subjective interpretation. Also citation to the statement "illegal weapons that are beyond the control of the law" is not neccessary i think since it is obvious that illegal gun ownership is not covered by any law. Anyway ill be glad for more specific suggestion and will do my best to improve the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Czechshooter (talk • contribs) 20:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate you contributing to this article which Wikipedia was previously lacking. I don't read Czech but I also do not see sources that specifically say that the Czech Republic has a liberal gun law. I suppose it's obvious to you but it seems like a defining characteristic to me that would need a citation. Just saying, "Well compare to other countries and you can see that it's liberal" is original research. I think that it may be able to be re-written to simply state the facts and let the readers themselves compare and draw the conclusion that it's liberal. That would be WP:NPOV. The same sort of solution would work for "gun are not excessively popular"; state the facts and let the reader decide, unless you have an actual source that says that guns are not popular. Cheers and thanks again for your contribution and communication. DoubleBlue (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have to agree with DoubleBlue on the lacking sources (the nuber of gun license holders ie., dates/years of the respective indcidents) and the neutrality of the article is at least disputable. I'm okay adding the sources, when I find them. Also the information in the article is dated relatively to time of writing, which is not ideal for the readers. There should be at least date of writing stated somewhere in the context I guess.Taboracek (talk) 21:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Who can obtain a B or E permit?

I am an American that will be moving to the CR in about a year to teach. Here in America and I an avid gun collector and sport shooter.

Will it be possible for me to obtain a permit to sport shoot and own a firearms in Czech Republic?

Does anyone know the guidelines for non-Czech Republic citizens to own firearms? Thanks! --KineticRic (talk) 11:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know you need to have permanent residence in the Czech republic and probably need to somehow evidence your clean criminal history. Then you are actually considered as any other citizen and can obtain gun license. Foreigners do have license here and americans are among them too... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Czechshooter (talk • contribs) 14:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Quite some time ago, the gun license test had to be done in czech language. There are some disputes about this in my suroundings, but according to the EU law, you should be allowed to have certified interpretor present at the test/practical exam. Still, probably the best place to ask these questions is a Czech embassy in US. THey will also be able to help you out on the paperwork needed to import the firearms.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gun politics in the Czech Republic/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tezero (talk · contribs) 02:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

We need more Czech Republic-related GAs and FAs, and this one has been sitting in the waiting room since even before I came back from semi-retirement, so I'll take this review. Tezero (talk) 02:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• First thought: there are some grammar and usage mistakes, so I'll go through and fix those. Tezero (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
• Not done, but there are some uncited statements, like "The written test as well as the practical exam has to be taken in the Czech language. In the past a sworn interpreter/translator was allowed, but that possibility no longer exists." Please find sources for those. Tezero (talk) 17:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I will add the sources for these as soon as I can, however I won't get to it sooner than beginning next week. I suppose that citing change in the enactment should be enough. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 22:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Try to source every statement if you can. If not, I can help you look for sources. Tezero (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, shall do that. Please let me also know whether there are some things that popped up to your mind that could be added. I would like to add a subsection dealing with notable cases of successful legitimate defensive use of firearms in the country... once I have more time. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That would be helpful, yes. I'll tell you if I think of anything else. Tezero (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I would like to believe that I have covered all I could. Please let me know if there are any outstanding issues. Regards. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I've done a little reorganization and tagged some unsourced statements. Cite those statements and we'll be good to go. Tezero (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Page Name

I believe the page should be re-titled to "Gun policies in the Czech Republic". "Politics" is an inaccurate use of term, and I'm strongly inclined to believe that its use here stems from the fact that the word for "policy" is the same as the word for "politics" in the Czech language (as a result of which, many Czechs are unaware that a vocabulary distinction exists in many other laguages, including English). (rationale: own opinion; native speaker of Czech) 89.102.133.166 (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Nah, it is fine just the way it is. It is correct English name of the page, as is the case of other pages dealing with other states. But thank you for your concern. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

statistics about using guns in self defense

Are there any? I wasn't able to find anything.

Neither did I. According to estimates 90-95% of DGU lead to the attacker reconsidering without a single shot being fired and in about 4-8% further cases warning shot is enough. There is no duty to inform authorities in case of DGU without shots fired (brandishing DGU), and although there is a duty to inform police in case of warning shots, I suppose large percentage of people prefer not to involve authorities (and maybe risk an interpretation that would not be favorable to them).

Also, while FBI keeps statistic of legitimate homicides (most of them are DGU), Czech police does not. So really, I could not find any source on that. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 06:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

This is well written and interesting. I have no Czech language skills, and it is obvious you can not produce this article without them. Thanks for the hard work, and I hope you one day find time to add a little history on gun ownership in the 1919-1938 era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.129.123.221 (talk) 07:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Lead photo

Note: This discussion was moved from Talk:AR-15 style rifle#Gratuitous content. –dlthewave ☎ 01:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't care to get into a lengthy discussion over the appropriateness of criminal use content in gun articles – I hear that some editors feel this content is gratuitous: unjustified or unnecessary; not called for. Just want to bring your attention to and get some feedback on another type of, in my opinion, gratuitous content. I tried to remove the photo at the top of the Gun laws in the Czech Republic article, but was reverted. Does this pic of a hot hottie packing heat in a gun shop somehow illustrate gun laws to a degree that merits knocking the chart of gun license holders and registered firearms in the Czech Republic over time lower on the page? Feel free to reply here or there. wbm1058 (talk) 20:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: The photo is an odd choice for a lead image. The composition is poor, the woman's back is to us - it just does not look lead-worthy or related to "gun laws" in a meaningful way. I would support moving it into a section in the article, such as related to the contemporary situation in the Czech Republic. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: add ping. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment. If there's no consensus to remove it, then moving it down to a section more relating to laws about gun shops or sales would at least be an improvement. The picture is also in the Gun shop article. wbm1058 (talk) 00:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support removal The composition doesn't provide a good view of the customer, the guns or the shop. It doesn't seem relevant to gun laws. –dlthewave ☎ 02:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
• Removed, per no objections on the Talk page. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

• Objection I object to removal. The picture is very relevant to the issue. It shows three important aspects of gun laws that are specific to the Czech Republic:
  • First of all, pistols on display. Czech Republic is shall issue concealed carry country. Many of the pistols on display are not available elsewhere in Europe.
  • Secondly, there are modern sporting rifles (AR 15) on display. Which are shall issue too. Banned in many EU countries.
  • Thirdly, the AR 15 has 30 round mag. I.e. no mag restrictions in the country. Unlike in most of Europe.

• • Last but not least copy pasting discussion from another page is not relevant to this issue. Back to original consensus version that was here for about two years. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2018 (UTC)